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06-12-2013, 10:21 AM | #1 |
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Hey guys,
I am helping run this pilot PDX event with the NER region of the SCCA. Its going to be a full day You will start out running 5 min heats on the pair of 1/3 mile autoX courses. One course will be run dry while the other will be wet (put your awd to use!!). Then, while the Club Racers are on their lunch break we will take to the track. Every 2 or 3 drivers will be matched with an instructor and they will take you out on the track and you run "lead, follow" laps for about 20 min. Then in the afternoon we will be running the full autocross course for for 5 minute heats until the end of the day. In car instruction will be available from our autoX, club race, and rallyX veterans for anyone who wants it. This is a great opportunity to get a taste of what tracking your car is like in both a safe and low pressure event. I hope to see a few subies out there tearing it up!! But don't worry any safe cars are allowed. If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me me with them. Here is the link to the event on motorsportsreg. **A SNELL SA2000+ or M2000+ rated helmet is required. If you have a problem locating and wish to attend please contact me. I should be able to help you out **Convertables must have a hardtop, or factory or better rollover protection that clears the helmet of all occupants. https://www.motorsportreg.com/index....1#.Ubh-qmS9Kc1
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06-12-2013, 11:01 AM | #2 |
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06-12-2013, 11:32 AM | #3 |
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"Drivers must provide their own SFI 31.1 or Snell SA2000 (or newer) helmet to use and/or share."
Motorcycle DOT approved work? |
06-12-2013, 04:00 PM | #4 |
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Yeah, M rated helmet is where I'm at as well. How about convertible with stock rollbar? The description makes it sound like this would be fine, I know it's OK for LRP autocross events.
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06-12-2013, 04:13 PM | #5 |
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Motorcycle DOT and SNELL Mxxxx helmets will not be acceptable. We are required by the SCCA sanctioning to only allow SA2000+ racing helmets.
We "should" have some loaners available. But, if it is possible for you to get an appropriate helmet to bring it would be ideal. |
06-12-2013, 05:51 PM | #6 | |
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I wonder what the reasoning is behind me being allowed to smash my head off concrete, houses, other motorists, pavement, etc. on my bike with my DOT approved helmet... yet it's not safe for inside my car? *Brings up google machine* |
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06-12-2013, 07:35 PM | #7 |
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I need to double check but stock roll bars should be good.(not style bars)
I will fill you guys in on the loaner helmet situation once I know for sure. |
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Snell M is more stringent than DOT, as described here: http://www.smf.org/docs/articles/dot Quote:
The motorsportsreg page said this about convertibles: Quote:
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06-12-2013, 09:11 PM | #9 |
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Hhmmmmm.....very interesting. I really want to run LRP and this is VERY affordable.
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06-12-2013, 10:35 PM | #10 |
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Ok so, the word on convertibles with no hardtop is you need roll over protection that will pass the "broomstick test." So as long as your helmet covered head sit sits lower than the bar and windshield frame it's good.
So NA/NB miata guys you pretty much have to have racing seats with drop brackets. |
06-12-2013, 11:00 PM | #11 |
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What's the deal with seat belts/harnesses. I have a harness for the drivers side and OEM seatbelt for passenger. I've heard this doesn't fly with some clubs.. Drivers seat and passenger seat at the same and I have a rollbar that sits about 1-2" above my helmet. Car is an NA miata btw.
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06-12-2013, 11:31 PM | #13 |
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Wow, SCCA is handling events on the LRP autocross course very differently than LRP. I'm signed up for an autocross day directly with LRP later this year, they don't even require helmets, let alone SA, and their only concerns with cars are the noise level (and general safety). I know that school doesn't include track time but follow the leader parade laps for 20 minutes are hardly going to be pushing the limits too far.
Good luck with the event, it looks like a great deal. |
06-12-2013, 11:36 PM | #14 | |
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Tomorrow I will double check the rules, this would only become an issue if you were going to have an instructor with you. So, do you plan on having and instructor through the day? Also be aware if you say you don't need one and it becomes obvious you do, than we will still need to pair you up with one. We mean no offense to anyone but all of these rules as convoluted as they are, are put in place for your safety. |
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06-12-2013, 11:44 PM | #15 | |
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Also the lapping will be split into groups based on skill. No one will be setting any lap records, but I can see laps getting under the 1:10 mark pretty easily in the more advanced group. So It certainly won't be a Sunday drive out there. We will bring you up to speed gradually, but in the end we will be pushing you to go as fast as you safely can. |
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06-14-2013, 01:36 PM | #16 |
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A bit of an update on the helmet situation.
M2000+ or SA2000+ helmets re acceptable. There was a bit of confusion since originally we were going to run the event at a Club Trials (PDX LVL 2) event. But since we changed it to PDX LVL 1 it lightened up the requirements slightly. This was never incorporated into the stipulations documents for the event. Sorry for the confusion, but now you guys can just snag a helmet from a motorcycle riding buddy. Sorry, but DOT still will not be acceptable. |
06-14-2013, 06:04 PM | #17 |
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I thought the event was today. I have an M2010 helmet so that's good news. What I probably don't have is clearance under a broomstick in my NC MX5, even with the stock seat lowered.
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06-15-2013, 01:28 AM | #18 |
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I thought the NC's have a lot more room than the NA/B's? Or are you just 7 feet tall?? I'm not too fluent in miata the only ones I have ever drove were in full spec miata trim.
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06-15-2013, 07:13 AM | #19 |
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6'3", but even with the back of the seat lowered an inch I wouldn't pass with a helmet on. I'd need a composite seat.
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06-15-2013, 10:54 AM | #20 | |
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So 'but now you guys can just snag a helmet from a motorcycle riding buddy' is an untrue statement...? I think? By the sound of it you're trying to say a SNELL approved helmet will pass but the answer is still a no on normal motorcycle helmets. |
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06-15-2013, 11:05 AM | #21 |
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The only motorcycle helmets that lack a SNELL M rating are usually the very cheap helmets.
DOT is the very minimum rating that helmets can have and still be legal. With that being said all of my and my friends motorcycle helmets have always been SNELL M rated. It's not something you should skimp on, a helmet is the most important part of your safety gear, whether racing or riding. Last edited by GremlinDX; 06-15-2013 at 11:10 AM. |
06-15-2013, 11:26 AM | #22 | |
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06-15-2013, 11:31 AM | #23 |
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No, but I just assume most people don't use DOT only helmets as myself and everyone else I know steer clear of them.
But I will edit it to clarify. And put in my original post. |
06-15-2013, 11:38 AM | #24 | |
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Assumptions get people killed. Or in most cases typically really pissed off. Just making sure you made yourself clear. Showing up with a DOT approved helmet and being told to go screw on the day of the event would be traumatic for some. Especially after paying for the day. CliffNotes: DOT - NO. SNELL&DOT- YES |
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06-15-2013, 12:01 PM | #25 | |
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I'm not here to argue with anyone, I am only trying to make sure that everyone is safe and enjoys the event. I appreciate you bringing it up as not being clear to you and possibly other readers and potential entrants. Also, we have a backup plan for the inevitable people that will show up with DOT helmets. But we can't have people relying on those limited personally owned helmets that I am procuring. Monday I will know for sure if we will have actual loaner helmets. |
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