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12-09-2008, 12:38 PM | #1 | |
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AutoblogGreen achieves 43.1 mpg in 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid
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Pretty impressive! This will probably be my next DD.
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12-09-2008, 01:02 PM | #2 |
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Nice. Perhaps there is hope for them.
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12-09-2008, 01:07 PM | #3 |
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Ford will be fine...
Highly competitive hybird Fusion New Fiesta coming early 2010. Followed by Euro Focus (im hoping for ST, and RS), Mondeo, and Kuga....there is hope. |
12-09-2008, 01:25 PM | #4 |
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40mpg in a mid size? With a reasonable price, this should sell well...
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12-09-2008, 01:30 PM | #5 |
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VW diesel Jetta works too probably cheaper - but reliability could be an issue with the VW. Ford should be better than VW in that aspect.
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12-09-2008, 02:50 PM | #6 |
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Suck it GM with your Escalade Hybrid, and Lexus with your LS460h.
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12-09-2008, 03:46 PM | #7 | |
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Those "hybrids" make me sick. |
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12-09-2008, 03:52 PM | #8 | |
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Face it, the people buying these cars aren't about to buy a Civic or Prius. If they are going to buy an Escalade, it might as well be a hybrid Escalade. |
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12-09-2008, 04:16 PM | #9 |
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12-09-2008, 06:07 PM | #10 | ||
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I can understand that someone looking at an Escalade or LS isn't gonna cross-shop a Civic or Fusion, so have those people pull their fair share in terms of efficiency. BTW, I am rather impressed with this Fusion. I really hope this is a SMASH hit for Ford - that would really send the Detroit automakers the right message that this is indeed the future. Sure, build high-profit pickups for those that actually need them for work, but for the rest of us, these cars are the future. If she can get past the blue-oval badge, this would be perfect for the GF. |
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12-09-2008, 06:13 PM | #11 | |
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You should see the way the Prius drivers try to run hot laps to the grocery store around here. |
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12-09-2008, 07:45 PM | #12 |
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If they can bring this car in at a competitive price it will be a hit. Ford is going to do very well if it can weather the **** storm that is Chrysler and unfortunately GM.
It's very telling that Ford's exec arrived in this Hybrid to the bailout talks and the GM exec arrived in a test mule that may or may not ever reach production at a super high price point, and the Chrysler exec showed up in a discontinued full size hybrid. I smell fail everywhere in Detroit but in Ford's house. |
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12-09-2008, 08:51 PM | #14 |
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Would it have been cheaper if they all boarded the same passenger plane instead of drive?
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12-09-2008, 09:28 PM | #15 |
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12-09-2008, 09:29 PM | #16 |
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12-09-2008, 10:53 PM | #17 | |
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12-10-2008, 06:33 AM | #19 |
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I think Ford has done a fantastic job w/ the Fusion. I've felt they were the maker to make it through this whole downturn and come out the other side a profitable company. Kudos for putting pressure on Toyota to get an updated Camry Hybrid out there. We'll see if Toyota really does have D3 syndrome where they leave the Camry as is after the competition has eclipsed them.
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12-10-2008, 10:35 AM | #20 |
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This is good for Ford. Maybe their plan was not all BS after all.
I still think that Ford and GM will make it and Chrysler will be split up. I think only the Viper name brand and Jeep will survive from Chrysler. |
12-10-2008, 11:06 AM | #21 |
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Actually, GM got it right by making the large trucks hybrids instead of the small cars, if the intend was to save gas.
Let's say the Escalade gets 15mpg in mixed (city/hwy) driving and the hybrid version get 20mpg. Driven over 100 miles, the saving is 1.67 gals. 100/15 -100/20 = 1.67 Take the Ford Fusion. Say 30mpg non-hybrid and the hybrid version gets 40mpg. Once again, reasonable mixed driving mileage numbers. The savings is .83 gals over the same 100 miles. 100/30 - 100/40 = .83 So an driver switching his slade to a hybrid version is making twice the impact than the Fusion driver switching over to a hybrid. Personally, I don't really like the big, full-sized SUV, but I can understand why certain families need something like that. Large family, towing, campers, business, etc... As others have said, large suv buyers won't be cross shopping for Civic or Fusion hybrids. |
12-10-2008, 01:10 PM | #22 | |
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Where technology will change all of this is if/when diesel can be made from things other than crude oil, such as alge etc. And when the hybrid technology allows people to drive their suburbans to the grocery store around the corner without burning a drop of gas. Either case - the alge to diesel idea is tapping CO2 emissions from power plants to increase the alge growth and reduce the co2 emissions from the power plants - the Electric charge for the plugin hybrid is reducing the gasoline consumption and exhaust. So you have a case where the green factor will be quite close between the two though the complexity in the technology in the vehicles will be quite different and make for quite different ownership experiences. That and either approach will have its clear advantages over the other and should play a role in which vehicle you purchase. |
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12-10-2008, 08:22 PM | #23 |
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it makes more sense if you go from a OBS at 19 mpg city to a prius at 45 mpg city.
so your reasoning, going from a fusion that gets 30 mpg to a fusion that gets 40 mpg is hogwash. it all depends on the previous car and your driving habits (i need to proofread more often) Last edited by whoosh; 12-11-2008 at 09:11 AM. |
12-11-2008, 09:07 AM | #24 | |
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Bottomline, there's a handful of reason why everyone picks the vehicle they decide to purchase. It could be because of cost or speed or utility just to list a few. The best way to get the country to use less fuel is to provide all the same vehicles with better gas mileage, not just compact and midsize sedans that already get decent mileage. Up until recently, the best selling vehicle in the US for almost two decades was the Ford F-150. Don't know what kind of mileage they get off the top of my head, but if all those MILLIONS of F-150s, and all full size trucks for that matter, get just 5mpg improvement, the amount of gas we would save would probably be more than if you got everyone who drives a car (non-truck) to switch to a hybrid. Hey, here's a better idea, why don't we make semi trucks more efficient. Each one drives hundreds of thousands of mileage every year with terrible mileage. Cars that get 25mpg+ are not the problem. It's really the pickup and semi trucks and they won't be going away. Just make them more fuel efficient and you will see a much bigger return on investment if saving fuel is the goal. BTW, improving mileage if not limited to just switching to some hybrid technology. Switching fuels, improving aerodynamics, reducing weight, improving efficiency with technology like CVTs, direct fuel injection, idle stop, bio fuels, etc... Each item only has a small impact, but applying all the available technologies together can have a big impact. OBS? |
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12-11-2008, 09:13 AM | #25 |
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