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02-26-2010, 07:54 AM | #1 | |
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Front crash sensors may be defective, but Chrysler won't recall.
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02-26-2010, 09:47 AM | #2 |
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Ah yes, the advantages of being an American based company. Toyota gets crucified, while Dodge says they are only going to replace some of the possible bad sensors, not all of them, due to "significantly lower failure rates"
Yup, that is fair. |
02-26-2010, 11:38 AM | #3 |
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Ah the advantages of being an American company. Subaru does not repairing the leaking fuel lines... wait a minute its exactly the same.
Having a bad sensor is not the same as unintended acceleration problems at all. It requires that a sensor fail, a warning light be ignored, a crash occurs, and the importance of an airbag changes based on whether the individual has a seat belt on. It is not in the same class as your brakes suddenly without warning failing. There is a warning. It is possible that some unlucky person has a sensor fail and then crash in the next few seconds, but if we want to go down that rabbit hole there are all sorts of other ridiculous things that could be posited. It is one of those things owners should be pissed about and insist the Chrysler (how much an American company they are is arguable) fixes the problem. |
02-26-2010, 11:45 AM | #4 |
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wow thats ridiculous, all these big companies with their recalls. Subaru is still doing good!!!
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02-26-2010, 11:55 AM | #5 |
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The difference between this and Toyota is; Toyota doesn't stop, Chrysler van lets you know that the sensor is broken.
Buy a new sensor and the van is fine. It's a 4-5 year old vehicle, that sucks. Do people really believe that nothing will break on them? Nick |
02-26-2010, 12:00 PM | #6 |
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02-26-2010, 12:15 PM | #7 |
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A failure is a failure guys... an electrical glitch is a glitch. It is just bad luck it was on an accelerator pedal, and not a window controller.. It could have been anything. If reliability is key on your must have list, then you would be a fool not to buy a Toyota. If anything, their cars will come out of this better.
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02-26-2010, 12:22 PM | #8 |
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These vans are still on the road!?!?
^ Ironically that is the very reason why I will not replace my WRX with another one, as much as I love the thing. My next car needs to give me 10 years / 200,000 miles without drama. (that's also the reason why I won't replace it with a GTI or GLI as much as I like those too) |
02-26-2010, 12:43 PM | #9 | |
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And no not really. Do you have a Toyota? I drive one regularly. Their build quality has seriously deteriorated. And I don't mean b/c of their workers. The interiors are far worse quality than they used to be. I have driven Toyotas from the late 70s through 2009 and their quality was best in the 90s IMO. Even the old toyota I had from the 80s had initial interior quality that surpasses some of their new models (at least in the way the interior is put together). They are trying to save money and cut corners like everyone else. The key is to find the point at which you save the most as a company without pissing off your customers b/c everything is falling apart and rattling. They have overshot in my opinion. |
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02-26-2010, 12:45 PM | #10 | |
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personally, i hope toyota crashes and burns |
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02-26-2010, 12:46 PM | #11 |
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The only reason Mr. Toyoda is there is because he was asked to be there by a congress that wants to make a competitor to GM (obama motors) look bad.
THERE I SAID IT!!! Let that stew a while... |
02-26-2010, 01:12 PM | #12 |
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02-26-2010, 02:08 PM | #13 |
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Exactly, I know for a fact that the governors of states that have Toyota plants have been holding meetings with Toyota execs. Not to scold them, but to beg them not to take too many jobs from their states. Once the pony shows over, people will be counting how this whole debacle will affect the local unemployment numbers.
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02-26-2010, 02:27 PM | #14 |
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02-26-2010, 02:36 PM | #15 |
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Nope the Japanese government will bail them out Scrappy. The Japanese government already has started. It seems strange to hear you say you do not hope any company crashes and burns for it certainly seems to me I have heard you say the opposite about GM.
There is no stewing needed. If Obama Motors was a reality as you think Ray LaHood would not have sat on the Toyota safety issues like a mother hen. It took months and months for anything to get done. If you have not realize this yet let me summarize the way congress works. People raise lots of money and promise a bunch of BS. People get elected Lawmakers have meetings with lobbyists Lawmakers try not to do anything b/c it might make somebody somewhere upset Lawmakers talk alot Something bad happens Lawmakerse hold hearings and explain how righteously indignant they are about whatever happened. Executives wring their hands and say sorry, but... Lawmakers shake their fingers Everyone forgets about it when the next thing comes up Lawmakers raise more money and get re-elected |
02-26-2010, 03:42 PM | #16 |
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I have said on many occasions that I want GM to Die in a Fire, and I will never buy a car from them until they are back to private industry. I also said that if they cannot get their crap together, then they deserve to fail... I cannot stand them for sucking so bad we had to bail them out. It would be great for them to be so successful they can get independent again. But who are we fooling.
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02-26-2010, 04:58 PM | #17 |
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02-27-2010, 04:38 PM | #19 |
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I tend to think that a problem is a problem really. Only difference here, as mentioned above, is that on one situation, the car allegedly accelerates (you can avoid crashing by slipping the transmission into Neutral), while on another situation, a sensor, which I'm guessing is tied into whether or not the supplemental safety restraint systems work as intended (in which case, you can take the car into the dealership to have the problem taken care of) in order to ensure that everything works properly in the event of a crash.
The existence of both issues are potentially life and death issues. I don't think anything will come of it unless accidents start happening where there airbags and seatbelt pretensioners fail to operate, causing loss of life. In such an occasion, hearings will be held, trying to figure out why a recall was not implemented, and so on. The funny thing about all of this is that when you look at more mundane household objects such as baby strollers and cribs, even the slightest possibility of something occurring that could harm a child while in use is grounds for an immediate recall. Victory for Chrysler i think... I wonder how much they saved by convincing the NHTSA that a recall was not necessary? Last edited by jigga; 02-27-2010 at 04:45 PM. |
02-27-2010, 05:16 PM | #20 | |
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I want them to get out from under the government umbrella, so in that case I want them to succeed. But until then they can Die in a Fire. I hope that clears it up.. |
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02-27-2010, 05:19 PM | #21 |
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According to Jim Press, the Prius' development was funded completely by the Japanese government, and the Japanese government also gave Toyota as well as Honda a low-interest "loan" back in 2009 for billions of yen. Not to mention that the only reason Hyundai was able to rebound and make decent vehicles was that the Korean government put a heavy tariff on imported vehicles.
What was funny too was that investigations into the Toyota pedal incident started under the administration of George W. Bush and mysteriously ended when Toyota hired someone from NHTSA. And isn't it cute that some want GM to fail after they took the loan instead of having them do well and pay it back. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face But why let facts get in the way of misguided anger? |
02-27-2010, 07:37 PM | #22 |
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From what I understand the Japanese government gave Toyota a loan that said if the prius failed they did not have to pay it back. So they did pay to develop it, but Toyota paid them back. In other words there was no risk.
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02-28-2010, 07:19 AM | #24 |
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Yar that was my point. It isn't quite the same as paying for it though. They just took on the risk.
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