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04-04-2013, 12:12 PM | #201 | |
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04-04-2013, 12:31 PM | #202 | |
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04-04-2013, 12:49 PM | #203 | |
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IMO the GTR, PDK, e-gear are more engaging and interactive than my E36M3 5 speed. Don't confuse the high performance flappy paddles with a standard car flappy paddle. |
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04-04-2013, 01:25 PM | #204 | |
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Having to attempt to heal-toe while braking and downshifting isn't fun or engaging for me. It's tricky, tedious and an opportunity for an expensive mistake. |
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04-04-2013, 01:30 PM | #205 | |
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04-04-2013, 01:42 PM | #206 |
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04-04-2013, 01:46 PM | #207 | |
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04-04-2013, 01:50 PM | #208 | |
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We are all individuals, and we have different likes. I am sure I would have a BALL driving a GTR as the speed itself becomes fun. It really does not matter how you get there. Hell a roller coaster is fun and that has no pedals. |
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04-04-2013, 10:45 PM | #209 |
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Has any other vehicle in automotive history been so consistently upgraded and refined this often??? I think its great! I am just curious because those guys at Nissan just can't seem to leave well enough alone and I'm loving it!
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04-05-2013, 08:57 AM | #210 |
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The biggest problem with DSG is that it is SEQUENTIAL and cannot randomly access any gear like 6 and directly into 2. It as to go through every gear so there is a pause before it will go. Many GT-R owners have complained about this "Pause" BMW claims to be introducing a DSG that can do this. Should be interesting
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04-05-2013, 10:20 AM | #211 | ||
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04-05-2013, 10:29 AM | #212 |
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Why did you feel the need to tell us that you heel toe "properly"
Enquiring minds want to know. Just pieces of the puzzle man, just pieces of the puzzle. |
04-05-2013, 11:13 AM | #213 | |
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I understand the "like" of a manual over automated manual. All of our household vehicles have three pedals (almost picked up an X5 manual for a DD). Rollercoasters. |
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04-05-2013, 11:55 AM | #214 |
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Because the only reason to hate sequential gearing is because you want to be lazy, brake in neutral, and then put it into gear after the fact. Which shouldn't be done under any driving circumstance . Ergo, sequential gearing is not a problem and forces good habits. Working as intended .
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04-05-2013, 12:17 PM | #215 |
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I'm glad you cleared that up, WRXHillClimb. I was sweating profusely in anticipation of your response.
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04-05-2013, 12:33 PM | #216 |
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I work as an automotive wholesaler and get the privilege of driving hundreds of cars a year. I've had Lamborghinis, Ferraris, Corvettes, you name it. Currently we have been tooling around in an 09 GTR we just bought. I have only personally owned manual Subaru's and love the feel of being connected with the car through the manual gearbox. BUT unless you have driven E-Gear or the transmission in a GTR there is no way you can say it is not absolutely amazing and a blast to drive. It is just as exciting to me as driving a high horsepower car with manual. We have a supercharged Corvette and we have the GTR. After driving the GTR I would choose it over any of the other cars all day. It is so well planted and exciting to drive. The car shifts so fast and gives you time to appreciate the speed and control instead of shifting and doing the work for the car. I understand the history and classic quality of a manual gearbox but on the street there is no lack of fun and excitement.
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04-05-2013, 01:01 PM | #217 | |
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R8 re-badged E-Gear as R-tronic (Gallardo E-Gear and R8 5.2 R-tronic are the same drivetrain)... and 6-speed was highly recommended over the R-tronic version. I believe R8 just got S-Tronic with the visual facelift, a newer version of Audi's Dual-clutch system that is more closely related to PDK, and it is an improvement, and a match or faster than the 6-speed, now. |
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04-05-2013, 01:29 PM | #218 | |
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Never said it was not fun at all. A 550 HP car is inherently fun regardless of transmission (AMG anyone). I just took my 240Z out for a lunch break and it was borderline nirvana for me. The sounds, the transmission are just too much fun to be left alone. Throwing super cars out as examples to justify how great a transmission performs is partly trickery. that is like giving A supermodel an old T shirt and then saying how great that T shirt is. Put the same T shirt on an overweight ugly chick and the T shirt loses some 'luster'. If an automated gear box is truely wonderful, it can shine in any situation. Would a corolla CE be better with a manual or a DSG? Just layers of the onion folks. |
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04-05-2013, 01:43 PM | #219 | |
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GTR shift is firm and will get the tires to break loose. PDK is smooth. e-gear snaps your neck. Imagine the most violent shift you can produce in any given manual car X 100 = e-gear shift. Seriously, I have never been able to get a quick shift with clutch engagement that sent shivers down my spine in my 6MT Murci as I did with an e-gear LP640 (Gallardo engagement is a little less harsh than LP640). R8 is too muddled down for e-gear to be a good match. The trans swap was a good move on Audi's part. |
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04-05-2013, 04:17 PM | #220 |
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There's no question in my mind of the capability of the GT-R, but I have to question its purpose.
When I see a GT-R on the street, I feel like I'm watching someone else play Gran Turismo, but in "real life". I guess cars that are just all about "electronics" kind of bore me, there's no mechanical edge that will punish you. ... I think it's that same mentality that lead me to the STi in place of the Evo; I get bored of playing Gran Turismo all too quickly now. |
04-05-2013, 05:32 PM | #221 | |
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04-05-2013, 06:35 PM | #222 |
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^This.......its getting old.
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04-05-2013, 06:50 PM | #223 | |
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Having rode in a GT-R, I can attest to it's feel and beastliness despite lack of a manual shifter. |
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04-05-2013, 07:04 PM | #224 | |
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The point I was making is that the STi is far much less dependent upon electronics than the GT-R. I get the feeling it's like the Evo, you point, shoot and the computer "figures" it out. Would you really call that mechanical and relying more on the driver's skills than the car's electronic aids? Again, not trying to make people become annoyed, but simply stating my view point. |
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The GTR is a great car and the transmission is a perfect match for it. Corolla got nothing to do with this. All DSG are not created equal, Nissan is not gonna put a GTR transmission into a Versa. |
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