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01-14-2013, 11:27 PM | #1 | |
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Nissan Dropping Leaf Price 18%
Wow, that's a pretty significant drop... now only $18k for a Leaf in some areas of the US. More at the link.
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01-15-2013, 08:14 PM | #2 |
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I wouldn't even buy it for $15k. It's an under engineered golf cart with a bunch of electronic gadgets powered by a bunch of laptop batteries.
Good luck driving this in the summer time. As the heat will tremendously degrade the battery. |
01-15-2013, 09:51 PM | #3 |
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I was hoping they would say Nissan dropping leaf
off a building. HAHAH |
01-16-2013, 12:19 AM | #4 | |
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"I wouldn't even buy an automobile if it cost a penny-farthing. It's a loud, crude, dangerous attempt to replace a horse with a bunch of rust-prone gadgets powered by explosive liquid. Good luck if you run out of gas. Your automobile can't just eat grass by the side of the road, like my stallion can. Which tremendously degrades your unseemly excuse for a carriage's range." There's always someone... |
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01-16-2013, 01:11 AM | #5 |
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Great price-point for this car. I like how Nissan is trying to build the brand/infrastructure for electric cars.
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01-16-2013, 01:57 AM | #6 | |
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If plug in electric really is the future of automobiles then when the performance and price is right and I jump ship I'll appreciate the suckers, er, trendsetters that paved the way by over paying for ****ty early technology. |
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01-16-2013, 01:32 PM | #7 |
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I love how everyone keeps INSISTING electric vehicles are the next big thing, like they know 100% that it will eventually adopt over other alternatives.
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01-16-2013, 01:56 PM | #8 |
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It seems like a slap in the face to the people who already bought one.
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01-16-2013, 02:19 PM | #9 |
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01-16-2013, 02:34 PM | #10 |
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01-16-2013, 02:42 PM | #11 |
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Not to mention that early adopters are always willing to pay more. Look at the people who pay big $$$ in dealer markups just to have the first model run of a car.
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01-16-2013, 02:57 PM | #12 |
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One is a biofuel derived from lipids of Algae. Algae is very abundant, and replicates very quickly, so there is no danger of depleting the source anytime soon. Or if electric is your thing, a solar panel on top of a cars roof. During the day, the car will run on sunlight, yes sun exists even on cloudy days, and during the day, while the sun is powering the car, the batteries will be charged for night time use if needed. But in general, Electric cars are just as bad as gasoline engines or even some cases worse. The lithium has to be mined, and the battery manufacturing alone uses tons of toxic chemicals. And the majority of the electricity in the U.S. comes from coal fired plants, and with Obama calling for less Coal plants, that might create an increase in the price of electricity. So then, you'd be worried about the price of electricity and the possible release of more SO2.
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01-16-2013, 04:26 PM | #14 |
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Coal is already way down because of fracking and the subsequent cheap natural gas.
Electricity in cars is awesome b/c you become fuel agnostic mostly. You can use whatever you want and have cheap to generate electricity. Look at historic electricity and fuel prices. Electricity is way more predictable and consistent than gasoline and diesel. |
01-16-2013, 04:43 PM | #15 |
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I agree with this. The problem is that the usage of electricity by the car is quite optimized and efficient. The difficulty is the batteries are made from expensive materials that don't hold much energy. I want the batteries to make a jump before we push the electric car.
They had it figured out in 1902: But they found it better to refine the internal combustion engine than to add battery capacity. The fact is gasoline is still cheap and plentiful. And I think it's more likely that we end up generating some other material to burn in a ICE than a magic new battery tech to be our next phase. |
01-16-2013, 04:52 PM | #16 | |
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01-16-2013, 04:54 PM | #17 | |
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Don't cry about it. No one is a sucker by being early adopters. If so, your are a sucker for purchasing a computer, smartphone, TV, even any car, because the next year there is will be a better one. Don't cry about it |
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01-16-2013, 05:36 PM | #18 | |
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01-17-2013, 06:13 AM | #19 |
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Maybe they can give them a free sun shade like apple does every time they release a product and milk the early adopters then drop the price significantly
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01-17-2013, 09:40 AM | #20 |
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Regarding algae: According to one projection, it looks like 5.4 million acres would be needed for the US. Which is less than 2% of total farmland (of course, you wouldn't need to use farmland, this is just for comparison purposes). This is based on a projection of being able to produce 25,000 gallons of ethanol per acre per year.
http://scienceblog.com/58968/enginee...oBLzEsCuPhP.16 One catch is that this system needs to be fed CO2 - so it needs to be next to a power plant. I don't know if there are enough power plants to feed that many algae farms, but at least it is a good way to clean the CO2 while creating a clean fuel. |
01-17-2013, 09:43 AM | #21 |
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01-21-2013, 05:58 PM | #23 | |
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01-22-2013, 02:31 PM | #24 | |
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01-22-2013, 07:45 PM | #25 |
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As much as I want to consider a vehicle purchase like this in the near future, I can't help but feeling it's still a little too much money and has less range than I'd like.
Getting close, though. Bring on the economies of scale. I think we'll see a very exciting transportation revolution in our lifetimes. Give me a smaller, more basically appointed Tesla-like sedan with a 200 mile range for $35k and I'd pull the trigger. |
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