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Old 08-31-2014, 01:01 PM   #2526
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2012's have plummeted in price, thanks to a) the 2013 redesign and b) the 2015 overhaul.

In the process of buying a 2012 GT/CS 6m for peanuts.
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Old 08-31-2014, 02:51 PM   #2527
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2012's have plummeted in price, thanks to a) the 2013 redesign and b) the 2015 overhaul.

In the process of buying a 2012 GT/CS 6m for peanuts.

11-14 are practically identical, aren't they? The 10 owners got the same body as 11-14 but the old engines.
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Old 08-31-2014, 04:32 PM   #2528
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11-14 are practically identical, aren't they? The 10 owners got the same body as 11-14 but the old engines.
'13 and '14 received interior touch-ups, different front/rear fascias and projector/LED headlamps. Easily distinguishable




















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Old 08-31-2014, 07:04 PM   #2529
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The '13-'14s were what the '10 - '12s should have looked like from the start. I especially hated the tail lights when the prototypes for the 2010 were seen testing with less camo.
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Old 08-31-2014, 08:58 PM   #2530
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Agreed.

But for the price I don't care
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Old 09-01-2014, 08:08 PM   #2531
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I like the '12s better. *shrug* The current cars look too truck-like in the nose, they have a stupid hood bumper like the Focus and new WRX and the tails are too busy.
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Old 09-02-2014, 12:43 PM   #2532
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2016 Ford Mustang GT350 Badge Leaked Confirming High-Performance Mustang

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We've seen several spy photos of the SVT high-performance version of the all-new, but there hasn't been a confirmation about what it will be called, until now. A leaked picture of a GT350 badge has surfaced online, which confirms that the high-performance Mustang will be called the Mustang GT350.



Thanks to Mustang6G we now hopefully know what the high performance Mustang will be called, but now have to wait to see what will power it. It's expected that the 2016 Mustang GT350 will be powered by the same 5.0L V8 as the, but will be upgraded to around 500 horsepower.

Related: 2015 Ford Mustang GT350 Spied With Very Little Camo (Spy Shots)


The 2016 Mustang GT350 will also get a more aerodynamic body kit, upgraded exhaust and wider fenders.
Please be NA, please be NA, please be NA, please be NA, please be NA...

We all know the 5.0 is capable of it. I sure hope Ford didn't wuss out and put a supercharger on it.
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Old 09-02-2014, 12:49 PM   #2533
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An NA American V-8 with 100 hp/liter will shut a lot of ricers up.
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Old 09-02-2014, 12:53 PM   #2534
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If the GT350 is the 5.2 liter NA "Voodoo" motor that Ford has been testing, yes ... this is going to be one seriously cool car. High-revving and quick revving like a Ferrari motor.
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Old 09-02-2014, 01:07 PM   #2535
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If the GT350 is the 5.2 liter NA "Voodoo" motor that Ford has been testing, yes ... this is going to be one seriously cool car. High-revving and quick revving like a Ferrari motor.
Yeah, man I hope the flat-plane Voodoo rumors are true.
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Old 09-02-2014, 01:15 PM   #2536
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The GT350 should be a Boss 302 replacement, not a GT500 replacement. I hope Ford is smart enough to realize that and didn't get caught up in the same "Supercharge ALL the things!" fever GM and Dodge have become caught up in. After the disappointment that is the new ZR1 Z06, it would be refreshing to see someone make something proper rather than just throwing horsepower and model numbers where they don't belong.
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Old 09-02-2014, 01:46 PM   #2537
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The GT350 should be a Boss 302 replacement, not a GT500 replacement. I hope Ford is smart enough to realize that and didn't get caught up in the same "Supercharge ALL the things!" fever GM and Dodge have become caught up in. After the disappointment that is the new ZR1 Z06, it would be refreshing to see someone make something proper rather than just throwing horsepower and model numbers where they don't belong.
Didn't Ford start this whole "supercharge all the things" craze?

Regardless, it's a bit too early to start calling the Z06 a disappointment.
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Old 09-02-2014, 05:20 PM   #2538
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After the disappointment that is the new ZR1 Z06, it would be refreshing to see someone make something proper rather than just throwing horsepower and model numbers where they don't belong.
What?
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Old 09-02-2014, 05:41 PM   #2539
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The new GT350 will have a 5.2L. It's pretty much all but officially confirmed now. Unfortunately that's about as far as the info goes though in regards to the engine.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...5-2l-3324.html
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Old 09-02-2014, 05:44 PM   #2540
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Didn't Ford start this whole "supercharge all the things" craze?

Regardless, it's a bit too early to start calling the Z06 a disappointment.
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What?
They should have just called it a ZR1 and been done with it. It's basically a ZR1 with a Z06 badge. The C5 and C6 Z06 were awesome track cars and supercar killers. The new one is just going to be the fodder of old men who like to think they are the second coming of Mario Andretti, just like the ZR1 was.
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So, anyone know when the mags are going to publish reviews now that the production facility is cranking? They should have their test vehicles by now, no?
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Old 09-02-2014, 11:37 PM   #2542
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They should have just called it a ZR1 and been done with it. It's basically a ZR1 with a Z06 badge. The C5 and C6 Z06 were awesome track cars and supercar killers. The new one is just going to be the fodder of old men who like to think they are the second coming of Mario Andretti, just like the ZR1 was.
What's disappointing about that?

"The new WRX is a disappointment, it's basically an STI with a WRX badge."
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Old 09-02-2014, 11:57 PM   #2543
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Because the Z06 was the NA model and the ZR1 was the supercharged model. How do you think enthusiasts would view the 911 GT3 if they took out the high revving motor for a turbocharged one? It basically becomes the 911 GT2... not a terrible thing, but it becomes a different model, pretty much.
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Because the Z06 was the NA model and the ZR1 was the supercharged model. How do you think enthusiasts would view the 911 GT3 if they took out the high revving motor for a turbocharged one? It basically becomes the 911 GT2... not a terrible thing, but it becomes a different model, pretty much.
Bingo. They swapped technology for brute force and number hunting.
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Bingo. They swapped technology for brute force and number hunting.
Because boring a small block V8 out to seven freaking liters was the pinnacle of ninja-like subtlety. And the new Generation V engines have had no technological advancement from the old engines. I know we like to clown on GM cars around here, but you're gonna have to do better than that.
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Old 09-03-2014, 03:36 AM   #2546
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Because boring a small block V8 out to seven freaking liters was the pinnacle of ninja-like subtlety. And the new Generation V engines have had no technological advancement from the old engines. I know we like to clown on GM cars around here, but you're gonna have to do better than that.
The LS7 is a technically advanced engine. It has thin sleeved cylinders because it was bored and stroked to the point where clearance is VERY tight, titanium connecting rods, and lightweight titanium intake valves and sodium filled exhaust valves which allow a big two valve engine to rev to 7100 rpm (supposedly GM proofed it to over 8000rpm with no problems).

In the development they tested a three valve pushrod engine which could have easily been further improved for the C7. They went with the two valve LS7 because they got the power they wanted without going with the more complex valve train.


The LT4 is an LT1 with a blower on it. BOOOOORING.
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The LS7 is a technically advanced engine. It has thin sleeved cylinders because it was bored and stroked to the point where clearance is VERY tight, titanium connecting rods, and lightweight titanium intake valves and sodium filled exhaust valves which allow a big two valve engine to rev to 7100 rpm (supposedly GM proofed it to over 8000rpm with no problems).

In the development they tested a three valve pushrod engine which could have easily been further improved for the C7. They went with the two valve LS7 because they got the power they wanted without going with the more complex valve train.


The LT4 is an LT1 with a blower on it. BOOOOORING.
This. I've been to Katech, I saw what they put the LS7 through to test it. There was no reason to ditch it for some supercharged boat anchor.
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The LS7 is a technically advanced engine. It has thin sleeved cylinders because it was bored and stroked to the point where clearance is VERY tight, titanium connecting rods, and lightweight titanium intake valves and sodium filled exhaust valves which allow a big two valve engine to rev to 7100 rpm (supposedly GM proofed it to over 8000rpm with no problems).

In the development they tested a three valve pushrod engine which could have easily been further improved for the C7. They went with the two valve LS7 because they got the power they wanted without going with the more complex valve train.


The LT4 is an LT1 with a blower on it. BOOOOORING.
Again, it's been said before, but none of that is particularly high tech. Sodium filled valves are ancient, titanium valves and connecting rods are nothing new either; just cost prohibitive enough they are uncommon outside of performance applications. The LS7 is a technically advanced engine, but only in so much as the GM small block design has been super refined over the years in successive engine generations, lately in particular with input from the C5R and C6R racing programs. But obviously, you can't hold that over the C7's newer Gen V engine which has seen far more advancement, some of it based on the LS7. So the C6 had titanium rods for higher RPMs and the C7 has forged rods to withstand forced induction, different means for different applications, but the LT is still the technologically superior engine.

I know you guys are gonna slam the thing no matter what, I'm just asking that you actually throw something legitimate at it.
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An NA American V-8 with 100 hp/liter will shut a lot of ricers up.
It'll have to be 120hp/L to shut me up.

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