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Old 02-16-2016, 12:04 AM   #201
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Old 02-16-2016, 09:20 AM   #202
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this doesn't really sound like a header wrapping issue. Seems more like a torque converter stall problem. When it's hot you're able to slip the stall more because the fluid is warm...? If it's stock, I can't imagine the stall speed being very high.

i doubt wrapping the header will change this at all as it is transmission related.
You may be right. I did up an antilag-ish kinda map to heat the header and turbo and then try to launch. It didn't work.

But then again, this DSM guy tells me his TQ converter is harder to rev up when it is warm vs cold

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Old 02-17-2016, 11:27 AM   #203
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Good tutorial. Now I can be a bad ass even more
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Old 02-17-2016, 01:54 PM   #204
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Old 02-19-2016, 12:48 PM   #205
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Another followup -- I really wasn't impressed with the DEI Titanium wrap. It has such a loose weave that you have to be careful with it, and the weave also gets 'tweaked' when you pull it tight around each bend. Finished product looks kind of 'fuzzy' and not as sleek as I was hoping. I guess it'll work, but the 1" stuff especially sucked to work with -- for that 1" width you're pulling it tight which shrinks it down to .75" and then you're overlapping by at least .25" so you only get .5" on each wrap -- its very slow and painful. I would seriously consider using 2" wrap next time even on headers and just pulling it tight in the bends. I asked 2 friends and they both used 2" and were happy with it, and it would be much quicker to do.

Also, everyone will be different, but I used almost the full 2 packs of 1" x 50' on my Killer B header alone. I am going to order another 15' to do my uppipe. Just a heads up that it will really depend on your overlap and how much you use at the collector but you might use more than the two packs that the OP used.

Honestly, this sucked. And its not nearly as itchy as the old stuff, but it is still a little itchy so wear long pants and long sleeves and gloves if possible, and a mask wouldn't hurt either to avoid a slight itch in your throat. After spending probably 4 hours in total doing this, I would give a lot more through to just putting the money into Swaintech coating the next time around. Hey, at least the hard part is over with.


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Old 02-19-2016, 01:21 PM   #206
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I redid my headers in the DEI titanium wrap last year. The fiberglass wrap did not hold up super well as I did a lot of driving without the skidplate so wind and road debris shredded it within a year. If you put this on and daily drive your car, I would highly recommend some sort of protection for it.

I honestly think that 2" wrap is totally fine for something like the killerb headers. I had no problems using the 2" on my TWE header which probably has tighter bends than the killerb. The titanium wrap did not go as far as the fiberglass. I used two rolls on the headers of 2" where as with the fiberglass I had enough for the uppipe and downpipe. It is much easier to work with though being that it is dry. Wetting the fiberglass is super messy and a real pain to use, however the titanium does make a mess as well. It produces a crazy fiber dust that you probably shouldn't breath. I didn't notice it until I put my headlamp on when I was almost done and saw a bunch of sparkles floating in front of my face. The wet fiberglass does not do this obviously... just makes a mess.

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Old 02-19-2016, 01:26 PM   #207
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Yeah honestly I thought the wet wrap was pretty easy to use and of course didn't dust. The titanium wrap does dust and it does itch for sure (hands, arms, throat), just not as bad as the old wrap when its dry. Based on this thread and others I expected a superior product to what I had used in the past and I just didn't feel it was.
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Old 02-19-2016, 01:36 PM   #208
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exactly. the benefits of the titanium is you don't have a 50' roll of a wet thing flopping around making a mess and i think the titanium is more durable. It is holding up a fair bit better than the fiberglass and I still run sometimes without the skidplate because it keeps the engine cooler.

But wet fiberglass makes no dust and I did not find it itchy at all because it was wet.
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Old 02-19-2016, 07:51 PM   #209
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My wrap is officially 4 years old now. Did my oil change last friday and looked at it. 100% legit with no issues. Amazing. +1 would bang.
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Old 02-19-2016, 08:16 PM   #210
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My wrap is officially 4 years old now. Did my oil change last friday and looked at it. 100% legit with no issues. Amazing. +1 would bang.
same here. the tomei headers i have has titanium wrap that is about 3 years old and still looks like new. the undertray makes a world of difference in engine cleanliness. i dont get why some people remove it just to make the oil change quicker.
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Old 02-19-2016, 08:19 PM   #211
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I have to agree with just about all of Troll's statements on the dei 1" I used for my headers. Same experiences, same properties of the wrap.

Recently I had to unwrap about 8" of (dei) my number 4 runner to install a bung for my egt. It had only been installed for a few months, and it broke apart at every wrap because it had become brittle and more rigid. That said, undisturbed it doesn't really show any problems.

My downpipe was wrapped a couple years ago. It has some wear near the bolts at the flange. But I've been able to take it on and off a few times without having an issue.

It does work exceptionally well I'll give it that. Shortly after driving and getting it on the lift, I can put my hand on the header for 5 seconds before having to move away. That is impressive.
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Old 11-09-2017, 09:48 AM   #212
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First off, the pros and cons of this mod.

Pros:
Easy
Cheap
Will help with heatsoak issues
Will stop you from visiting the burn ward while tinkering with your car

Cons:
Can/will void header warranty.
Can/will be a fire hazard if oil gets onto the wrap.

1. Purchase TWO Exhaust Wrap Kit #010126 by DEI on Amazon which should cost around $32 each. These are the 1" by 50' rolls. This wrap is called Titanium by DEI, but other companies sell it under the term "Lava", though the cheapest is from DEI. This is a new type of wrap, so FORGET your old wrap knowledge.
1a. I chose the 1" wide variety as it is easier to work with in complicated bends such as those found on headers. Feel free to substitute the 2" wide stuff and obtain lumpy wrapping on your header. The 2" stuff would be most suited to straight pipes such as downpipe or full exhaust.
1b. You can buy the stainless steel "zip ties" in two ways: 1. Like a moron and buy the $Texas DEI stainless steel "zip ties". 2. Visit Harbor Freight and order a package of IDENTICAL stainless steel "zip ties" the size of your mom for $2. I did both.....you know....as a teaching/visual aid.
2. This install could be done on the car, but it would be a super pain in the ass, so please do it off the car.
3. Assemble tools needed:



4. Since I was used to the old header wrap, I initially used the finest Chinese fabric scissors available from Dollar General. Then I discovered that even half way decent fabric scissors did little to the silicone fiber material. So, in keeping with using the right tool for the right job, I actually used the right tool which was found in my fiber optic tool kit out in the garage....Fiskars Kevlar Shears. These REALLY worked out terrifically, so ensure you have really good scissors if using this new wrap!





5. I started by wrapping the uppipe. Start at a flange and tuck under the excess "frayed end". Then do one full wrap covering the beginning.



6. Wrap one of the "zip ties" around the first wrap and pull it tight. These ties suck. Know this. They really just hold that first wrap secure and not much more. Yes....you can pull on them with the Wrath of Khan, but you can still spin them and slide them back and forth. So to combat this, and this will take some trial and error, you will have to hold the wrap tight with your left thumb while wrapping tight with your right hand. You will eventually see/feel that the strain on the wrap is not pulling the zip tied portion. Use 1/4" overlap on the wrap. For curved sections, use more overlap on the interior portion and less overlap on the outside of the curve. When coming to the end, I used two zip ties to cover the tucked in "frayed end".









7. Now I started on the header proper. Once again, start from a flange and work your way in.



8. If you want to get so mad you want to punch babies, enlist this as a helper whilst wrapping.

Sorry for bumping an old thread but is that possible for you Unabomber to reinsert the pictures of this thread with an other links because broken links of photobucket. If you still have them of course, thanks.
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Old 11-09-2017, 01:17 PM   #213
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Sorry for bumping an old thread but is that possible for you Unabomber to reinsert the pictures of this thread with an other links because broken links of photobucket. If you still have them of course, thanks.
pictures work fine if you get the photobucket hotlink fix extension added to your chrome browser. There are a few versions...
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Old 11-09-2017, 07:37 PM   #214
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pictures work fine if you get the photobucket hotlink fix extension added to your chrome browser. There are a few versions...
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Old 11-10-2017, 11:57 AM   #215
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pictures work fine if you get the photobucket hotlink fix extension added to your chrome browser. There are a few versions...
You're assuming the poster is using Chrome.

Doing an Internet search for "Photobucket" and your browser of choice should yield fixes for most browsers.
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