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Old 12-01-2013, 03:39 PM   #51
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I didnt enjoy my HP+ Pads, I ran EBC yellows then switched over to the HP+ pads and found a decrease in braking performance. I DD/ Auto-X the car and Found I couldnt get enough heat into the HP+ pads to make them perform at the same level as the EBC yellow pads.
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:15 PM   #52
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This isn't too say that I don't like the pads, I just alter how I drive them.
This is exactly what I do. I dab the brakes several times as I'm pulling out in the mornings, and make sure I brake earlier than needed the first few times. I find that the brake feel and strength is good when warmed up. Overall it's a nice improvement, but too impractical on the street for every day use for me. I'll likely switch back to OEM stuff when these wear out as the gain is not worth the tradeoff in every day use for me.
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Old 12-02-2013, 01:05 AM   #53
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I didnt enjoy my HP+ Pads, I ran EBC yellows then switched over to the HP+ pads and found a decrease in braking performance. I DD/ Auto-X the car and Found I couldnt get enough heat into the HP+ pads to make them perform at the same level as the EBC yellow pads.
yes the yellowstuff pads are a better pad from what I gather. I've never actually used them. Reasons I didn't go with them was because of the increased price (about 40 bucks more than HP+) and also the insane bed in period required for the yellows. For those that don't know, they may require 1500 miles of bedding before they're at their best.

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9. Bedding in EBC pads
In Street use situations ***8230;
Bedding in when the red EBC surface coating (marked on the pads as Brake In) is applied.
Best procedure is to drive gently avoiding harsh braking unless in an emergency for first 100 miles. In the second 100 miles (up to 200) you can use gently increasing brake pressures when using the brakes.
Only after 200 miles urban driving (not 200 miles on a freeway where brakes are almost unused) should you attempt to apply heavy load and heat to the brakes. To do this final bedding on a QUIET ROAD in safe traffic apply the brakes and slow from 60 to 10 MPH five times in a row. Then drive slowly for a few minutes if safe to do so to allow the brakes to cool. Try to avoid coming to a rest whilst the brakes are heated.
A smell may be noticed from the warm brakes, this is normal. Repeat this procedure a second time after the brakes have TOTALLY cooled down. EBC pads get better with miles. Even after this bed in procedure it can take up to 1500 miles before the pads are at their best. In the meantime the pads will be good and safe but true potential not realised. EBC makes performance pads that last, they do not bed in within 5 minutes driving. Noises will be more likely during the first 1000-1500 miles use whilst this chemical bedding takes place.
driving 200 miles in the city before I can really stomp on the brakes would suck... call me impatient but the HP+ (or any hawk pads I think) is a quick 20minute bedding procedure, then let them cool off fully and you're ready to rock. Similar "quick" bed in procedures for ferodo, stoptech and other major brands...

According to EBC the bed in length is totally worth it but I require instant gratification. I also have horrible planning skills and only got my pads a few days before my first track day and therefore wouldn't have had time to bed them properly.

Other useful bed in notes can be found on stoptechs website:

http://www.stoptech.com/technical-su...and-procedures

And a host of other useful info from stoptech here:

http://www.stoptech.com/technical-su...l-white-papers

I've personally never used stoptech products but their resources are great.

The initial bite feel for me is very important. As someone that doesn't use a brake booster, the change from HPS to HP+ was drastic and that alone was enough reason for me to not switch back to HPS pads for my DD duty. Hawk is easy to get and reasonably priced so I will probably stick with them. Either way, I think I want to try the DTC-30 pads (which dale's can get?) when I do my next track day. I got the HP+ to fade fairly quickly but the drop off wasn't drastic like OEM or HPS pads. I was still able to stop, just had to really stomp on it.

Not sure if I'm being helpful or cluttering up the dale's parts of the week discussion thread...
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Old 12-02-2013, 01:50 PM   #54
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