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Old 03-27-2008, 10:00 AM   #1
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Default yes, that woman who died in police custody at the airport...

Well, now according to CNN, her kin is filing a lawsuit against Phoenix and the city's police department in a 'wrongful death' lawsuit. According to the article, she basically threw a temper tantrum and caused a scene at the airport. She was then detained and placed in a holding cell where she died somehow trying to escape the handcuffs. And it's the police department's fault.

Am I missing something here? I thought suicide or the attempt of it was illegal? I think this is the most frivilous lawsuit i've seen since the McDonalds/Coffee spillage lawsuit a number of years ago.

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The family of a woman who died last year while in police custody at Phoenix, Arizona's, Sky Harbor International Airport filed an $8 million claim Wednesday against the city of Phoenix and its police department, the first step in filing a wrongful death suit.
Carol Gotbaum, shown in an undated family photo, died accidentally, a medical examiner said.







Carol Gotbaum, a 45-year-old mother of three from New York traveling to Tucson, Arizona, to enter an alcohol rehabilitation center, was taken into custody by Phoenix police on September 28 after she missed her connecting flight and flew into a rage.

She was left alone in a holding cell at the airport and subsequently died, accidentally strangling herself while trying to escape her handcuffs.
The claim accuses the Police Department of using "excessive and unreasonable force" on Gotbaum and failing to follow its own procedures in handling people who are obviously disturbed.

"Good people here made lethal, unreasonable mistakes, with catastrophic results for Carol, her three small children and for her husband," the claim says. Gotbaum was treated "as if she was a dangerous criminal, rather than as a sick, intoxicated and vulnerable person she was," it says. "She had no weapon and never threatened anyone."

City attorneys responded to the claim, saying that police officers acted properly and responsibly in restraining Gotbaum. "The Gotbaum family has publicly admitted, not only that Carol hid her medical and mental condition, but that the officers responded to Carol exactly the way her husband knew they would respond because they did not have critical information known only to the Gotbaum family," city attorneys representing the Police Department wrote.

Gotbaum, the stepdaughter-in-law of New York public advocate Betsy Gotbaum, became agitated after missing her flight when gate agents were unable to seat her on a subsequent flight. Airport surveillance video shows Gotbaum's arrest, with police officers struggling to handcuff her. Police reports say she was "uncooperative" and resisted arrest, screaming during their attempts to escort her out of the airport terminal.

She was accused of disorderly conduct and placed in a holding cell at the airport, where she continued to scream for several minutes after police left the room. Shortly after she stopped screaming, an officer found her unconscious, and rescuers were unable to resuscitate her. The Maricopa County medical examiner ruled that her death was an accidental hanging.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:02 AM   #2
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oh, i just pooped my pants a little, might as well sue someone
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:02 AM   #3
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Welcome to America, where it's always someone's fault.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:03 AM   #4
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you can thank the lawyer scum that exists in this society today
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:05 AM   #5
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I was going to say I hope her family hangs themselves, too, but then I saw that she's a pleasant looking, normal weight white woman--and now I'm so conflicted! OT Self-Righteous Squad, ASSEMBLE!
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:05 AM   #6
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And, OMG, her hidden mental problem came out at the airport--and the police didn't care for it! WELL BIG FRICKIN DEAL! If you're causing a scene at the airport, and thats the last place you want to do this, there is no time to sit you down and go through your medical history. You get put the **** down, bitch.

That's like if I were to goto the airport and start preaching in the terminal, get busted, and claim that God made me do it. It doesn't ****ing matter, i still get burned.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:05 AM   #7
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what!

i hope they see this as a joke and dismiss the lawsuit

that is FREAKING rediculous


the reaction would be different if she was a latino lady or an illegal
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:07 AM   #8
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She doesn't look disturbed. And if she was disturbed, why was she flying by herself? Where was her guardian? I think the city/police dept should file a counterclaim against her family for being negligent on the 'disturbed' woman's health by letting her run around unattended.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:08 AM   #9
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The McDonald's/Coffee lawsuit was not frivolous. You may want to do some research so you don't look foolish in the future talking about something you obviously know nothing about. No offense, I'm just sick of people referring to that lawsuit as if it had no merit or it was frivolous. If you read the facts on it, you can totally see that McDonald's was clearly in the wrong.

As far as this lawsuit goes, good luck. I'd like to see the toxicology report from the coroner, but I'm sure she was on something. You don't just flip out and then die in a jail cell for no reason.
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She doesn't look disturbed. And if she was disturbed, why was she flying by herself? Where was her guardian? I think the city/police dept should file a counterclaim against her family for being negligent on the 'disturbed' woman's health by letting her run around unattended.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:12 AM   #11
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She doesn't look disturbed. And if she was disturbed, why was she flying by herself? Where was her guardian? I think the city/police dept should file a counterclaim against her family for being negligent on the 'disturbed' woman's health by letting her run around unattended.
That is exactly what I thought when reading this.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:12 AM   #12
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This stupid whore's family should be charged for the wasted time of the court in bringing such a frivolous lawsuit.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:13 AM   #13
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She doesn't look disturbed. And if she was disturbed, why was she flying by herself? Where was her guardian? I think the city/police dept should file a counterclaim against her family for being negligent on the 'disturbed' woman's health by letting her run around unattended.
Family obviously had no concern for any danger this woman could've posed to herself or the rest of society and they let her out anyway. If they really thought she could have posed a danger to herself for any reason they should be held responsible for her death.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:14 AM   #14
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The McDonald's/Coffee lawsuit was not frivolous. You may want to do some research so you don't look foolish in the future talking about something you obviously know nothing about. No offense, I'm just sick of people referring to that lawsuit as if it had no merit or it was frivolous. If you read the facts on it, you can totally see that McDonald's was clearly in the wrong.

As far as this lawsuit goes, good luck. I'd like to see the toxicology report from the coroner, but I'm sure she was on something. You don't just flip out and then die in a jail cell for no reason.
Everyone knows coffee is hot. I suppose if you're a moron that would be OK because you can sue for a ridiculous amount of money.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:14 AM   #15
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This stupid whore's family should be charged for the wasted time of the court in bringing such a frivolous lawsuit.
You're forgetting about the $8,000,000 that the Phoenix tax-payers will have to buck up too.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:16 AM   #16
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she didn't die for no reason, she "accidentally strangled herself" trying to escape handcuffs. The only thing I can really fault the police for I think is leaving her alone in a cell. Irrational, flipping out people probably shouldn't just be handcuffed and thrown in a cell and then left unwatched. That's jut generally irresponsible, and simply having someone nearby probably would have saved her life. I dunno what I think about the lawsuit side, but there is definitely an element of police irresponsibility there.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:17 AM   #17
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you can thank the lawyer scum that exists in this society today

Ahhh no! You can thank the family scum who hire a lawyer to sue. Lawyer is just a tool, the family is the one suing. Family obviously feels that the police are culpable in some manner. So you can just thank society as a whole....
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So she was blitzed out of her mind one last fantastic time before entering the alcohol center?
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The McDonald's/Coffee lawsuit was not frivolous. You may want to do some research so you don't look foolish in the future talking about something you obviously know nothing about. No offense, I'm just sick of people referring to that lawsuit as if it had no merit or it was frivolous. If you read the facts on it, you can totally see that McDonald's was clearly in the wrong.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:19 AM   #21
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she didn't die for no reason, she "accidentally strangled herself" trying to escape handcuffs. The only thing I can really fault the police for I think is leaving her alone in a cell. Irrational, flipping out people probably shouldn't just be handcuffed and thrown in a cell and then left unwatched. That's jut generally irresponsible, and simply having someone nearby probably would have saved her life. I dunno what I think about the lawsuit side, but there is definitely an element of police irresponsibility there.
The holding cells and prison cells are designed to prohibit any sort of suicide attempt. Would it have been the police's fault if she started to beat herself to death?
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Ahhh no! You can thank the family scum who hire a lawyer to sue. Lawyer is just a tool, the family is the one suing. Family obviously feels that the police are culpable in some manner. So you can just thank society as a whole....
Yep. The lawyer is just doing his job.
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Everyone knows coffee is hot. I suppose if you're a moron that would be OK because you can sue for a ridiculous amount of money.
yeah why dont you check up on the details of that lawsuit before posting more idiotic ramblings. k?
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Apparently, the McDonald's coffee was 'dangerously' hot. Well--define dangerously. And also, she spilled it in her car. Why was she ****ing around with coffee while driving a car? Too bad she didnt cause an accident because SHE would be the one who would be getting ****ed.
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