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03-23-2004, 05:10 PM | #1 | |
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Electric Vehicle Group Plotting 'Attack' on Subaru
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03-23-2004, 05:21 PM | #2 |
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The article was followed by many comments, the most current of which seemed to be Mar 11, 2004. The Reverand obviously has a wide-ranging knowledge of FHI and Subaru. I wonder how he came by it.
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03-23-2004, 05:29 PM | #3 |
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Gheyist rally of people ... EVER
seriously ... call your dealer promising them you will buy one? ROFL ... This guy is seriously retarded |
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I agree with Jenison, it's like a bunch of uber nerds rallying for pocket protectors on all the school uniforms.
More power to them if they manage to get their voices heard. And funnier yet is that his last name is Skidmore and he seemingly admires Subarus. |
03-23-2004, 06:26 PM | #5 |
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Subaru should follow their demand, and then after getting all their money, make the car pink
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03-23-2004, 10:45 PM | #6 |
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If Subaru listens to these dorks, I'm going back to Honda
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I don't know about this groups means, but I like the ends. The idea of getting Subaru to produce a good electric vehicle is a great idea. I would seriously look into getting one as a commuter car.
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Electric vehicles suck. Plain and simple, and it would take a huge company many dollars to create a vehicle with decent performance AND range. Treehuggers be darned, I see no advantage to an electric vehicle over an clean gasoline or hybrid vehicle. If you consider the coal, oil, or gas that it took to create the electricity to charge said vehicle, where is the ECO friendly car then?
Right now electric vehicles are doomed. If you want to hope for something, hope for one of those hybrid vehicles, but only if you live close to your dealer and dont go far from one, because should it break down, there will be NO local shop that can work on those, as the problem will be with the electrical system most likely. Then forget ever getting the transmission worked on, because I would doubt that Aamco can work on a parallel gas/electric transmission. When a normal gas powered Civic can get 40 mpg, why do we need EV's. I dont see a market for them for at least another 25-40 years. SCRAPPYDO stephen |
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That's sort of my position on electric-only. A lot of our power comes from coal and that is the dirtiest form of electricity. For the amount of electricity an electric car would use per charge, you're probably getting more per unit of fuel by a good margin. They've already proved that with hydrogen too. It's less environmentally friendly to make the fuel than it is to cleanly burn gas.
I'm definitely not a fan of the electric cars for sake infrastructure and considering how well hybrids can fit in. |
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Besides, do these people realize how much they would have to pay for a Subaru developed and produced electrocar? A relatively small company like FHI could not afford to balance these costs elsewhere in the company while essentially giving them away like Honda and Toyota do with their hybrids. Nor would they be able to leverage large government subsidies like GM or Ford. These environmentalists would be better off petitioning GM to bring back the EV1 for around $45,000-$50,000. |
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One of the real futures is Hydrocarbon Fuel cells, once the price gets down...
60-100 MPG and zippo emissions... |
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I don't see the price of platinum coming down any time soon. Unless they find a different catalyst, I think fuel cells are a lot further out and less practical than hybrids.
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I think the part that you guys are TOTALLY MISSING is that the R1e is already destined for Japanese market release. They ARE GOING TO BUILD THE CAR.
What this group wants is for that vehicle to be homologated for US regulations and released to the US buying public. Personally, I think they should just build the B9 Scrambler and forget the R1e. |
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Case in point is the Nanticoke coal plant in Ontario. Lots of groups want it shut down because it is the largest single point emitter in Ontario (the next valley?). What most people don't know is that it is also one of the most efficient fossil fuel burning plants in the world. If you were to park enough cars in the same spot to produce the same amount of power output as that plant, the emissions would be WAY, WAY, WAY, worse. In fact it would not surprise me if it was a factor of 10 worse, although I haven't the time or inclination to work it out. When you start comparing to nuclear stations, we'd be talking about logarithmic differences. So don't be fooled by the anti-treehugger movement. BTW, I'm only a part time tree hugger, and really only just "responsible" at that. |
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Readily available now throughout the country are PZEV vehicles, such as the Ford Focus. This means Partial Zero Emission Vehicle. These vehicles burn so cleanly that they do in fact produce fewer emissions than it would take to charge a fully-electric vehicle. This makes the EV pretty much pointless.
In addition, the PZEV focus engine is a 2.3L making 145hp, runs on plain old gasoline, requires no special maintenance, and costs a whopping $115 extra over the basic, less powerful, less clean Focus engine. Makes it pretty darn easy to be green. I'm far from a Sierra Club member, but I don't hate the idea of making vehicle emissions cleaner. If the radicals have to come up with stupid ideas such as this guy's to get people's attention and it causes companies to come up with incremental, intelligent solutions to cleaner cars such as the PZEV Focus, well, it's not all bad. |
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Sierra Club = radical?
You've either been listening to Rush too long or you've confused them with Greenpeace. What next, the Nature Conservancy is plotting terrorist attacks? |
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BTW, most of the Rush croud I know are quite environmentally aware. |
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My apologies to Sierra Clubbers. If you read closely, I never equated Sierra Club with radical, though I can see how that was inferred. What I meant to say is I'm not one to be called terribly environmentally conscious by my peers, and that the guy who wrote the deal about EVs that started this thread is a 'radical'. Not that the guy is a Sierra Club member, and therefore the Sierra Club is a radical organization.
Didn't realize that 2.5L Subarus were also PZEVs, or I would have used that more forum-appropriate example instead. Just had read about the Ford recently so it stuck out. And FWIW, the Focus isn't a bad vehicle at all, now that they've been making them a few years. Regardless, I could care less if my own vehicle is a PZEV, just making the point that they are cleaner than EVs and thus make EVs essentially pointless. And I don't listen to Rush either. As a staunch moderate I find some of the conservative views just as absurd as some of the liberal ones. |
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I wish I had the time and energy Porter, but no such luck. Early on in my internet forum days I'd fire off opinion and commentary with the best of them, but after realizing how futile it is (and how futile politics in general is) I lost interest. Glad to see there are some other moderate-types out there though; seems all I come across are the extremes these days. I guess that's what keeps things exciting though, be it for the right reasons or all the wrong ones. . .
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