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01-13-2013, 10:48 AM | #76 |
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Another pro for sticking with a simple gas tax increase is that it will hit the idlers as well. Although recent idling laws have helped, I still see a lot of people idling away which is just wasteful and for the most part, unnecessary.
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01-13-2013, 11:37 AM | #77 |
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There are idling laws?
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01-13-2013, 03:59 PM | #79 |
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Increasing the gas tax will be cyclical. We're seeing it now as the call for alternative fuels and more fuel efficient cars are paying less in gas taxes. That is the crux of the issue.
Increase the tax on gas, cars become more economical, less gas being purchased, less taxes coming in to pay for repairs, tax has to increase again, cars become more economical, less gas being purchased, less taxes coming in to pay for repairs, tax has to increase again, cars become more economical, less gas being purchased, less taxes coming in to pay for repairs, tax has to increase again, cars become more economical, less gas being purchased, less taxes coming in to pay for repairs, tax has to increase again. --kC |
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Yes, but what we do then is enact a EV and hybrid usage tax.
It is not fair that they get to use the roads as much as other people in their heavy battery assisted cars and not pay for the damage they are causing... It is time they pay their fair share as well. |
01-13-2013, 04:29 PM | #81 | |
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As for 150 miles or 3 hours, thats in the CDL manual and i took the test 2 years ago, so obviously truck drivers are lazy if the dont follow the rules. No wonder equipment falls off and kills people. That rule is well known at my company, we"re encouraged to buy fuel or a candy car so we have a receipt showing we stopped. |
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01-13-2013, 05:02 PM | #82 |
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Because not all damage to roads is incremental wear cause by use. Much of it is simply age. So a gas tax is only a half-solution. Charge a use tax to pay for the portion of the damage which is expected due to aging, and charge a gas tax for incremental wear.
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01-13-2013, 05:06 PM | #83 | |
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@ Sniper that is actually a good point, but we already often have registration fees etc... that sort of cover the use. Furthermore it doesn't make sense to have people pay for aging that don't drive on the road. Gas use still correlates to mileage which is a fairer way to distribute that cost. |
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01-13-2013, 05:20 PM | #84 |
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I still think that gas tax should be very high in dense populated areas and very low in sparsely populated areas. The most interesting aspect of funding our roads is the tax structure and it was only a matter of time before governments started to feel the pinch of more economic vehicles and decreased tax revenues from those gas taxes. Some sort of road use fee will probably be initiated at some point based on vehicle type and weight. Maybe our leaders could figure out what roads are generating revenue and put what money they generated back into those roads and roads that do not generate revenue need private dollars or just fall into disrepair. Hopefully someoone will show some math that makes sense.
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01-13-2013, 05:38 PM | #85 |
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How about smarter spending on the roads? Here in NJ it's pretty damn common in my area to have roads paved RIGHT before winter. Low and behold a thousand potholes come spring time from fresh pavement and the ever so expensive yet lack luster pot hole fix. If government was actually ethical and not trying to give their big money friends business at our expense maybe roads could be affordable.
BTW what's the government stance on the gas tax for when you're on a toll road? Technically you are paying for wear of a road you're not even driving on through the gas tax. I wonder what's the ratios of miles driven on toll roads and public roads and if the gas tax in some ways pays towards the cost of toll? |
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My hybrid station wagon weighs less than your compact hatchback.
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01-13-2013, 06:13 PM | #87 |
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Irrelevant.
You are not paying your fair share regardless. Your improved fuel economy means you are not paying your fair share for the roads you use. You are in the 1% who get an unfair amount of mileage, and use your mpg as a loophole to avoid paying road taxes... how do you sleep at night!! |
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You still benefit from roads you've never driven on, primarily through shipping but also possibly through business encouragement, tourist dollars, not having to live with your inlaws, or other transportation-related stuff. Now, admittedly, it doesn't make sense for you to pay for aging on somebody else's neighborhood roads, but we can't really make our tax structure quite so fine-grained.
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01-13-2013, 09:36 PM | #91 |
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No more taxes!!!!
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01-14-2013, 07:32 AM | #92 | |
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my condolences.. I remember those days! Oh by the way, I regret to inform you that you are a rich bastard and there is no amount of taxes that is too much. |
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? I was thinking more along the lines of fruits, veggies, milk, sex toys from amazon, etc. When somebody drives to the store and buys a product your company makes you are directly benefiting from roads you never travel on. Our country's infrastructure, like roads and the electrical grid, benefit the entire population or the country excepting those mighty few who live totally off the grid. Technically, in order to be fair, the use tax would be a yearly tax for everybody, not just those who have car-related activities. Last edited by sniper1rfa; 01-14-2013 at 01:05 PM. |
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A good point brought up here, is that if you tax on a yearly basis much like your income tax. People will find good ways to avoid it, like the miles are included in their business travel so they include it with their deduction etc.....
If you charge a new car road usage tax, you can't avoid or fraud it. The dealership collects the money and sends it to the government bank account along with their sales tax. Everything is charge at one time, far less administration and headache for drivers. The tax is rolled into the car loan so it's alot easier to pay for spread out over 12 monthly payments for 5-6 years. The added bonus to the goverment is less controversy and backlash. Paying another yearly tax will rile the people up every time they have to calculate their mileage and write out a fat check. |
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