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Old 03-30-2003, 09:50 PM   #26
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I'm with ya, seats are defidently a deal breaker. For me, it's the rear view mirror, the EVO's is just so much nicer. Sorry Subaru, you lost me.
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Old 03-30-2003, 10:00 PM   #27
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When I am driving, I don't look at the interior!!!

If anyone would buy either of these cars based on the interior, or choose between them for that reason, you are buying the wrong car.

Just accept that both cars rock!

Start beating up on the other competition cars and not each other!
We should be thankful that we even have cars so close to each other that it can stir up such a furious yet silly debate time and time again.
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Old 03-31-2003, 08:07 AM   #28
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bump for Glenn

I also was under the impression that the WRX and STi seats were the same, except the covers. I didn't sit in the STi, but did see it up close, in person, the same day I sat in the 04 WRX.
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Old 03-31-2003, 09:46 AM   #29
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Let's male assumptions abou RallyBrit:
he will use one car
he drives to work and spends 1.5 hour in the car
he is old enough to enjoy good performance and quality interior
he is not attached to any brand

I agree with some of you that interior is not that important in cars like Impreza STi or Lancer Evo but ...
driving environment should be near perfect, would you be able to enjoy and control car with awkward driving position ? Or uncomfortable seats ?

If somebody wants to spend 30000+ on car and then start changing not only tires (don't Sti and Evo come with summer tires ? We just had snow in MA and AWD will become All Wheel Slide without proper rubber) but seats too than I would say: damn you are rich.
For such money I would like to buy something, which does not require too many changes.

I think I can understand RallyBrit.

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PS If he does not buy STi there will be on more for somebody else.
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Old 03-31-2003, 10:36 AM   #30
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This is why I will buy the Neon SRT. The seats are just perfect and made for driving. I sat in an STI at the autoshow and boy was it uncomfortable. Plus the fabric made me break out in hives. I looked at the Evo seats in a magazine and it made me a bit queezy just from the appearance, and the quick steering makes me dizzy. I'm sorry but for 30k I expect something more. Plus the drive train losses from the awd, dccd, vc and lsd alone will just get worse over time, unlike Neons which are known to put out serious wheel horsepower. At least 250 on a fwd dyno and over 300 on a 1wheel dyno if you buy the Quaiffe differential for the front and a 29 dollar mbc.
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Old 03-31-2003, 02:25 PM   #31
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Default Re: STi great, But EVO way more comfortable

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I have been waiting for the STi or EVO for some time. I haven't sat in the STi yet, but have sat in the 04 WRX. Seats are same in new WRX as STi, at least shape and size. Have to say, the EVO seats are way more supportive, more comfortable, larger in the seat area front to back i.e. giving much needed thigh support for long legged drivers.

Afraid I am leaning towards the EVO.
Comfort, schmomfort. The reason why (EVO > STi) == true is because hasRearWiper(STi) == false.
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Old 03-31-2003, 03:10 PM   #32
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I'll take the SRT4 because it has an integrated boost guage.
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Old 03-31-2003, 04:34 PM   #33
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There's nothing wrong with buying a car you're comfortable in. Not all cars and not all people are the same. It might be better to pick a "less than ideal" car, either for ergonomic issues or even something like back pain.

My estimation of the STi seats is based on the WRX seats. According to the Canada dealer info, they gave me spec sheets that had the WRX and STi details. The STi specs had items in bold which were different from the WRX. THE SEATS WERE NOT IN BOLD, only the covering. So from this I gather they are the same seats. This makes sense, because I noticed the 2004 WRX had zippered seat covers for easy removal. I imagine you might be able to get the STi covers for your WRX too.

Anyways, while I don't find the WRX seats as good as my M3 seats (power everying including width, which uses inflatable side bolsters to squeeze you in), they are pretty good.

I can never truly tell how good the seats are until I can do a long drive (6hrs plus). But I can say that my immediate impression of the WRX seating in general was that while the seat might not be as firm, the position was very good. The clutch is softer and closer to the driver than in the M3, which means I don't have to sit so close to the steering wheel. Also, I had almost 2 inches more headroom in the WRX than the M3, and I really like that, as my head nearly brushes the hump where the moonroof joins with the door frame in the M3... no fun.

So overall, I think the WRX would be more comfortable for me to drive in compared to the M3, and if the STi is the same, I don't see it being a problem.

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Old 03-31-2003, 04:47 PM   #34
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[quote]Originally posted by strangerq
This is why I will buy the Neon SRT. The seats are just perfect and made for driving. I sat in an STI at the autoshow and boy was it uncomfortable. Plus the fabric made me break out in hives. I looked at the Evo seats in a magazine and it made me a bit queezy just from the appearance, and the quick steering makes me dizzy. I'm sorry but for 30k I expect something more. Plus the drive train losses from the awd, dccd, vc and lsd alone will just get worse over time, unlike Neons which are known to put out serious wheel horsepower. At least 250 on a fwd dyno and over 300 on a 1wheel dyno if you buy the Quaiffe differential for the front and a 29 dollar mbc. [/QUOTE

Ladies and Gentleman, Introducing the "One wheeled wonder"

I don't care what kind of car I have, I DO NOT want my power only going to one wheel. (4 is much better) I think that is a stupid agruement anyway, Power is useless unless you are getting it to the ground. And with 300 at one wheel, you will be able to leave a beautiful single tread mark all the way down the track. One wheel dyno.... those should only be used for motorcylces.

All wheel Drive is all about traction. the drivetrain losses are offset by the added traction. With out traction, you ain't going nowhere.

Oh and one more thing, Neons are know for being cheap retal cars, not for "making serious wheel horsepower"
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Old 03-31-2003, 04:54 PM   #35
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I must say this thread is amusing. Hearing everyone talk about "this seat is better than that seat" Keep it up guys you are killing me.
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Old 03-31-2003, 05:11 PM   #36
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Ladies and Gentleman, Introducing the "One wheeled wonder"

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Ok, but don't say nothin' when you see the monkey go by ya.....on one wheel and lsd no less!
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Old 03-31-2003, 06:14 PM   #37
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Not to be rude but I woundn't waste my time or fuel racing a rental car. Turbo or not it is still a neon.
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Old 03-31-2003, 06:24 PM   #38
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It's just a joke dude. Chill.
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Old 04-01-2003, 12:48 AM   #39
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Default My thoughts, after sitting in an Evo 8

I sat in an Evo 8 recently, and I have to say that I loved the seats, and all the legroom. Its one of the few smaller cars where there is so much legroom, that I had to move the seat forward a couple clicks from the furthest back position. On the downside, the Evo does not provide a telescoping steering wheel to go with all that legroom, but then neither does Subaru.

I have been a longtime Subaru owner, and I would much prefer to buy a Subaru, compared to any other automobile product. The Subaru dealer near me is very close, and they have excellent service.

However, the front seat leg room in the current Legacy and Impreza (both roughly the same front legroom) is insufficient for trips longer than an hour. The Evo 8 has lots more legroom, and that might be the deal breaker for me.

I understand about changing out the front seats, to aftermarket seats. I will consider that.

But, from a plaintiff attorney perspective, if I get seriously rearended by another vehicle, and the seatback fails, and myself or my wife gets severely injured, the aftermarket seat will make the whole situation very very difficult to pursue. I won't bore you all with details of products liability litigation, but keep in mind that when you modify, alter, or change a product (and the car itself is a product), you make your products liability lawsuit much much more difficult to pursue. Because of those reasons, I prefer to stick with the factory seating.

I've written this before... Last time I looked at buying a new Subaru, and wanted more front seat legroom, I said screw it, and bought an Audi S4. Not because of the additional power, but primarily because of the Alcantara seating surfaces, and the additional legroom. Its that important to me.
When I was younger, the performance was more important than the seating. I'm older now, and seating/legroom comfort is more important.

My point is that there are some of us out there, for whom the seating/legroom is very important; more important than the performance edge.

Even if I don't buy either car, I am thankful that these types of cars are being sold in the USA. I will smile whenever I see either car, and I will give thanks that I am able to walk, and to drive, and to afford either car if I so choose.

Just my thoughts...
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Old 04-01-2003, 01:27 AM   #40
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I have not ridden in either vehicle, but if road tripping comfort is what you're looking for, these are probably not the ones. I'm not saying this to be the "hey you don't deserve this car "guy. I'm just saying that ride compliance will not be a trait that these things will be know for. I've ridden in a few vehicle with sport suspension for long trips. They are just a bummer. You are correct about how well the EVO seats hugs the body and the increadable leg room it has. Those seats are just awesome for factory buckets. But I don't think it will be a comfort road tripping mobile you're looking for. The STi is said to be more street user freindly in terms or the ride. But I think if the STi has a softer ride it will be just marginally so. I would suspect that these vehicles will not be the bone jaring ride a race car would inflict, but they will be far from seating comfort for trips longer than an hour.
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Old 04-01-2003, 01:47 AM   #41
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Whelp, the EVO & STi are going to have a ride similar to a buckboard driven by Gabby Hayes! Anyone expecting a comfortable ride, especially on long rides, may want to opt for a G35 Infinity. With the low profile tires, and the stiff sport tuned suspension and the way *our* (U.S.) roads are, we may want to be sure we have a dental plan as well.
What's next [?], visiting Buick Century drivers!?!
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Old 04-01-2003, 02:12 AM   #42
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Am I the only one who didnt like the EVO seats?
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Old 04-01-2003, 08:43 AM   #43
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Whoooaaa. I was not talking about long trip comfort, but bolstering, thigh support, relationship with pedals and steering wheel and shifter. I know both cars are going to be a firm "bone-jarring" ride, but that's the point. And furthermore, why not be as "comfortable" as possible while driving it.

For me the EVO set-up is just perfect and the WRX seats (and trust me the STi seats are EXACTLY the same) just didn't work for me. Shame, as I would have liked the extra oomph, but am not interested in changing seats. I would rather spend the cash on a Ralliart FQ upgrade and be above the 300hp / 300lbft provided it is done through Mitsubishi and doesn't void the warranty.

As for DCCD and some of the goodies included with STI etc, I am not a racer, I just wanted an everyday rocket to enjoy driving and going to work and for some fund weekend driving. So driver position and seating were of more importance to me. Check back in a few years and i'll probably have an STI to see the difference.
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Old 04-01-2003, 09:01 AM   #44
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Just sat in teh Evo last night (Concord NH, last one they have left, red, selling at MSRP; just under $31K!) and the seats are nice. I cannot get over the cheap interior though. If the evo didn't have those nice seats the total interior would be a wash! The switches and buttons are very cheap plastic and the entire dash is so blah..... I couldn't get over how much of a piece the stereo was too. Talk about muddy when you turn it up. If there was a car that shouldn't come with a radio it should have been the evo! The inside has more room than the STi for sure. For some this matters, but for me the STi has plenty of room still, plus that 3 inch less wheel base teh STi has will be nice for autox, leaves me to wonder if the evo is a little more stable at high speeds???????

I did like the outside though. I think it looks much better in person than in pictures (still prefer teh STi looks, just my opinion though....... ) I though it looked pretty agressive.

Over all, I would have a hard time getting over the completely blah interior of the evo, with the exception of the great seats. I was glad to see it though. It made me feel glad I was waiting 2 more months for teh STi, especially where this evo was almost at $31K at MSRP, then add $200 in paper work fees, pit pass (service stuff which I did not get the price on) and a $2000.00 add on if you want the good extended warrenty!!!!!! = at least $33.5K for this car (no sunroof eitehr).

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Old 04-01-2003, 01:26 PM   #45
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It's just a joke dude. Chill.
Please, Please don't take what I said as hostile. It was all meant in good clean fun.

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Why do all of my "the" come out "teh"??????? weird.
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This is just a test.

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Old 04-01-2003, 08:01 PM   #48
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don't you mean the and they and board and thier, jeeeez you guys can't spell
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Old 04-01-2003, 09:30 PM   #49
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Default question for RallyBrit - Audi S6 vs STi and EVO

RallyBrit,
I noticed that your name section lists you as having a 1995 Audi S6. I always liked those cars. Are you planning to sell or trade-in your 1995 Audi S6 for an EVO or an STi ??
Can you give us your thoughts on driving and/or living with teh '95 Audi S6 versus a smaller pocket rocket like the STi or EVO ?
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The word "the" is automatically changing to "teh". Why is this happening?
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