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Old 08-15-2006, 11:12 AM   #1
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Brenda Priddy’s crew has just snagged photos of the 2008 Mazda 6, which will be at once wider and longer than the current iteration. While this cobbled-together mule looks borrows heavily from the existing model, it is in fact substantially longer (perhaps as much as seven inches).

Ford’s CD3-2 platform is expected to underpin the new 6 (a derivation of the CD-3), meaning that it will share its skeletal bits with Mazda’s own Tribute, along with its Ford Escape and Mercury Mariner twins. Priddy’s people indicate that the platform will also be used underneath a number of 2012 models, including the next generation Fusion and a possible new Mercury sport wagon.

Peaking through the anti-spy cladding is the new front fascia, which uses honeycomb-pattern air intakes, and a set of headlamp units that may-or-may-not be RX-8 lenses are fitted awkwardly up front. Regardless, it’s easier to see in person that the new 6 will grow in size to meet larger competitors like the Toyota Camry and Ford Fusion head on.

Slated to be powered by Ford’s new 250-horsepower 3.5-liter ‘Cyclone’ V6, the car will almost certainly see a less-powerful four-cylinder (perhaps a 2.5-liter). All-wheel drive availability will no longer be the sole preserve of the Mazdaspeed variant, which should give the 6 an edge in foul weather climes when compared with much of the front-wheel drive-only competition.Down the road, a hybrid model is expected come on line, with the same 2.5-liter that’s expected in the 2008 Fusion.

Priddy reports that the Flat Rock, Michigan produced Mazda 6 will continue to be available in more bodystyles than the competition, including the sedan, wagon, and hatchback. A Mazdaspeed version should return in 2009.
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:07 PM   #2
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Ford, Ford, Ford... sigh. I hope to God they don't suck Mazda down the toilet w/ themselves...
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:29 PM   #3
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ford just a share holder mazda is still hodling their own design and use few ford parts which i think it will be better for repair cost if we ever need a repair
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:40 PM   #4
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So basically we are looking at the next-gen platform that like 80% of all FoMoCo cars/cross-overs will be based on for the foreseeable future.

Good job Ford in putting all your eggs in one backet!


Who wants to bet that the next-gen 6 will be quite a bit heavier than the current one simply because the platform will be used on sooo many other vehicles (including ones a decent amount bigger than the 6)?
:cough: Nissan :cough:
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:42 PM   #5
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Uhh, they had a chance to get rid of those butt-nasty tails and decided to leave them. That was really the only gripe I (along with many others) had about the car. What a shame. Oh well, I guess it works for them though...
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:50 PM   #6
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theyre gonna make it BIGGER?!

My car's friggin HUGE enough!!
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:55 PM   #7
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Uhh, they had a chance to get rid of those butt-nasty tails and decided to leave them. That was really the only gripe I (along with many others) had about the car. What a shame. Oh well, I guess it works for them though...
It's a test mule... doesn't tell us anything about the actual styling of the next mazda6. It's too soon to tell if they're changing the tails or not.
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Old 08-15-2006, 05:01 PM   #8
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theyre gonna make it BIGGER?!

My car's friggin HUGE enough!!
The Mazda 6 is pretty small for the segment. The LGT is too.
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Old 08-15-2006, 05:05 PM   #9
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Uhh, they had a chance to get rid of those butt-nasty tails and decided to leave them. That was really the only gripe I (along with many others) had about the car. What a shame. Oh well, I guess it works for them though...
Yeah, it's a chassis test mule. They did something weird with the front end, and everything from the windshield back is the old body. Note the fender flares over the rear wheels.
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Old 08-15-2006, 05:14 PM   #10
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The Mazda 6 is pretty small for the segment. The LGT is too.
Yea, that is why many people like them... BECAUSE they are smaller than other cars in the segment.

The 6 should stay smaller, as should the Legacy. Size will not help them handle better or weight less or get better gas mileage. I am just so god damn sick of cars getter bigger every time they get redesigned. Ugh!
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Old 08-15-2006, 05:20 PM   #11
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ZZzzzZzzZzZzzz....

That's what it got from me...and it should not be mistaken with ZoooOooooooooOOOoom
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:12 PM   #12
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Here is a concept sketch.

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Old 08-15-2006, 06:17 PM   #13
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Oooh, I like that sketch. Give me one of those in an AWD hatch please.
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:20 PM   #14
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Wow..nice.

Very RX-8ish. Mazda 6 should stay as it is... it still has more interior volume than the Leg or any car in it's class.
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:25 PM   #15
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Yea, that is why many people like them... BECAUSE they are smaller than other cars in the segment.

The 6 should stay smaller, as should the Legacy. Size will not help them handle better or weight less or get better gas mileage. I am just so god damn sick of cars getter bigger every time they get redesigned. Ugh!
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And on another point:

"Ford’s CD3-2 platform is expected to underpin the new 6 (a derivation of the CD-3), meaning that it will share its skeletal bits with Mazda’s own Tribute,"

When I think of sporty sedan, I always hope it has the underpinnings of a low-end SUV. To think: I was thinking about a MS6, then backed out because I hated the styling changes from the '05s. The 05's were an agressive looking sporty sedan in the V6 sport trim. I wanted the AWD, and was delighted when I heard about the MS6...."turbo AND AWD...buh bye WRX". But then when I saw it it was like "snooze". Now, it looks like they're taking a step in the wrong direction. Larger, and more boring. Boo!
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So basically we are looking at the next-gen platform that like 80% of all FoMoCo cars/cross-overs will be based on for the foreseeable future.

Good job Ford in putting all your eggs in one basket!
Unlike Subaru, which, as of 2008, will have 100% of its cars on the same platform, just like it did in '98-'99.

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When I think of sporty sedan, I always hope it has the underpinnings of a low-end SUV.
Like the STi and Forester? The current Escape and Tribute are built on a proprietary car platform right now.. they're no more SUV than a Forester.

I don't understand why Ford doing platform sharing is any worse than every other car company using platform sharing.
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Old 08-16-2006, 09:45 AM   #17
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Wow..nice.

Very RX-8ish. Mazda 6 should stay as it is... it still has more interior volume than the Leg or any car in it's class.
I find it VERY roomy inside my 6...roomy enough that it doesnt need any more room!

Actually, I'm thinking of "downsizing" to a WRX or even a Legacy.
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:19 AM   #18
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Unlike Subaru, which, as of 2008, will have 100% of its cars on the same platform, just like it did in '98-'99.
FoMoCo is a MUCH, MUCH bigger company (thus many more cars) than Subaru, and yet, it is still basing a huge chunk of their cars/crossovers/SUVs on a single platform. If you want to see what is wrong with having a varied group of cars all based on the same platform, then look at Nissan. Like 80% of the cars they make are all from one basic platform. While their cars in general are actually pretty good, for a 'sporty' models - the Z - is a pig and too damn big.

When done right, platform sharing can save a ton of $$$ - but when trying to make one platform usable for sporty cars, family sedans, cross-overs, as well as SUVs, then you are probably gonna have to make major compromises.
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FoMoCo is a MUCH, MUCH bigger company (thus many more cars) than Subaru, and yet, it is still basing a huge chunk of their cars/crossovers/SUVs on a single platform.
List them, please, because I don't see that at all. I'm not going to list the Mercury/Lincoln variants of each, that's just redundant.

1) RWD Lincoln LS/Jaguar platform.
2) FWD (US)Focus platform (proprietary).
3) FWD/AWD Escape/Tribute platform.
4) FWD/AWD Fusion/Mazda 6 platform.
5) FWD/AWD FiveHundred/Freestyle platform.
6) RWD Crown Vic platform
7) RWD Mustang platform.

So, if they replace the Fusion and Mazda 6 with a new shared platform and incorporate the Escape/Tribute (likely because they want them larger to compete with the supersized Rav4 and CRV), I don't see the friggin problem, or how they're, in any way, putting all their eggs in one basket. So I ask again, why is it bad when Ford uses platform sharing??
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Yea, that is why many people like them... BECAUSE they are smaller than other cars in the segment.

The 6 should stay smaller, as should the Legacy. Size will not help them handle better or weight less or get better gas mileage. I am just so god damn sick of cars getter bigger every time they get redesigned. Ugh!
The Manufacturers want volume... No one wants to be the alternative to the Camry or Accord... They all want to dethrone them... it's unfortunate but vast majority of the midsize sedan market wants a car with boat like proportions.
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If you want to see what is wrong with having a varied group of cars all based on the same platform, then look at Nissan. Like 80% of the cars they make are all from one basic platform. While their cars in general are actually pretty good, for a 'sporty' models - the Z - is a pig and too damn big.
Following this logic, this situation isn't necessarily a bad thing for the Mazda6. This is still just a sporty family sedan that we're talking about here, not a sports car. The G35 still handles pretty well for being based on Nissan's FM platform.
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Old 08-16-2006, 02:04 PM   #22
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The Ford Fusion , Mazda 6 , and Mazdaspeed6 , Mercury Milan , and Lincoln Zepher , as well as the Jag Type S all share the same platform.

Along with those cars, the Ford Freestyle , and Ford Edge and Linchn MKX and the Mazda CX9 all have a platform that is related in one way or another.

I believe that the Mazda minivan also shared a modified Mazda6 platform. Same might be the case for one of the mid-sized Volvos. And I am sure tht there are other non-USDM cars that I am not gonna bother with.

And then the article above says that the next version of this platform is also going to support the next 6, but also the next Tribute, Escape and Mariner (as well as others).
Guess what is going to happen to the Tribute/Escape/Mariner to fit on this platform? They are going to have to grow in size and weight.


That is one hell of a range of vehicles for one platform to be able to support - compromises must be made, and usually that involves making the smaller models bigger to fit the platform, and also heavier (becuase the platform has to be beefy enough to support the bigger SUV models). Once again, platform sharing can be a great way to save cash, but can also be taken too far.
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I find it VERY roomy inside my 6...roomy enough that it doesnt need any more room!
I agree. My kids are still in booster seats...they have plenty of room.
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Hadaz...you're wrong on a couple. The Jag S-Type is RWD & is on the Lincoln LS platform, sharing only the basic Duratec V6 with the Mazda6 platform (although Jag did their own tuning to the engine).

The Freestyle (& Five Hundred & Montego) are AWD & based on the Volvo S80. The LS replacement, will also be on this platform.

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Yea, that is why many people like them... BECAUSE they are smaller than other cars in the segment.

The 6 should stay smaller, as should the Legacy. Size will not help them handle better or weight less or get better gas mileage. I am just so god damn sick of cars getter bigger every time they get redesigned. Ugh!
...says the man with no kids (or kid seats). The new generation (Graco Safeseat, Britax, etc.) of side-impact protection baby seats are HUGE. With it in my wagon, the passenger seat is only one click back from all the way forward. I would only gain maybe one inch in a Legacy. We are planning to have another kid in a year or two. Once that happens, at least one of our Imprezza based vehicles will be replaced by something larger.

I would have traded to a Legacy already if they had a bigger backseat. The Legacy is just barely larger than an Impreza on the inside. The difference is so small I am really don't know why they have a separate model. The Accord and Camry are much larger in terms of back seat room, and that is at least part of the reason they outsell the Legacy and 6 ten to one.

The thing you guys have to remember is that there a lot more of us family dudes than you punk kids, and we have more money to spend, too. So we get targteted by the manufacturers.
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