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Old 01-02-2015, 11:13 PM   #2701
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Why are you against the verticooler?
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Old 01-03-2015, 07:57 AM   #2702
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Why are you against the verticooler?
I think I may have worded that incorrectly. I do think the verticooler is a great, new innovative designs but for me, it doesn't flow with the traditional lines of the engine bay. It sits kind of awkward (vertical, haha) and then air flow it the smashed into the firewall after it goes through the intercooler. I'm in no-way saying that it'll damper performance or cause drag that way but for me, the possible gains don't outweigh the physical look under the hood.
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Old 01-03-2015, 08:16 AM   #2703
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I think I may have worded that incorrectly. I do think the verticooler is a great, new innovative designs but for me, it doesn't flow with the traditional lines of the engine bay. It sits kind of awkward (vertical, haha) and then air flow it the smashed into the firewall after it goes through the intercooler. I'm in no-way saying that it'll damper performance or cause drag that way but for me, the possible gains don't outweigh the physical look under the hood.
Completely agree
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Old 01-03-2015, 08:45 AM   #2704
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Overland if you had gone stage two would you of got the verticooler to compensate for the heat or stuck with the horizontal PW tmic?


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Old 01-03-2015, 08:46 AM   #2705
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He is stage 2. I know it's a long thread to catch up on but he list all his mods on the first page.

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Old 01-03-2015, 09:09 AM   #2706
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Completely agree


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Overland if you had gone stage two would you of got the verticooler to compensate for the heat or stuck with the horizontal PW tmic?


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He is stage 2. I know it's s long thread to catch up on but he lost all his mods on the first page.
Thanks!

Are there mods missing in the first post? I updated it a few weeks ago but I think it's all there still. Let me know if a link is dead.
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Old 01-03-2015, 09:24 AM   #2707
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Here is where I am a currently in the search for my new FMIC. I have narrowed it down to the ETS and the Perrin. I feel both are top quality intercoolers and either one would be a nice addition. Thoughts?

My deciding factors are:
  • Perrin is a wider core that fills the opening of the bumper better, the ETS is slightly skinnier where there will be some dead space on the far left and right of the core.
  • Perrin comes with an integrated bumper beam for safely, the ETS needs the bumper beam completely removed (not as safe).
  • ETS piping is as short as a run as possible, retains the coolant overflow, flows the correct way, and piping is a nice, brushed stainless finish. Perrin's piping is crazy long, painted finish, moves overflow in an area that is already occupied.
  • ETS is slights cheaper and easier to acquire, Perrin is harder to get and more expensive.
  • ETS keeps the BPV hard mounted, Perrin has the BPV mounted off a hose.

Here is an under hood shot of both:

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Old 01-03-2015, 09:36 AM   #2708
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When I had my 13 I def researched fmic a ton before settling on the process west. If I did it again I would go with the perrin.

The overall quality of it is second to none. Like you listed, the reservoir thing is prob the biggest downside. From a overall aesthetic perspective, I find that the perrin kit just looks much better.

I don't know how extensive you plan to go power wise or if your upgrading just for the look( wouldn't blame you, they look so bad ass ) but I know of a couple people who are in the 600whp(gotta love e85) area.They both run the Perrin intercooler and have never had problems with the silicon hose BPV area.
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:01 AM   #2709
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When I had my 13 I def researched fmic a ton before settling on the process west. If I did it again I would go with the perrin.

The overall quality of it is second to none. Like you listed, the reservoir thing is prob the biggest downside. From a overall aesthetic perspective, I find that the perrin kit just looks much better.

I don't know how extensive you plan to go power wise or if your upgrading just for the look( wouldn't blame you, they look so bad ass ) but I know of a couple people who are in the 600whp(gotta love e85) area.They both run the Perrin intercooler and have never had problems with the silicon hose BPV area.
Power wise, I have no plans to change where I'm at (300hp, 308tq).
The intercooler is really only for looks at this point. The process west was the direction I wanted to take but after seeing one in person and taking note on how far back it set in the bumper, It turned me off since a pronounced look it what I'm going for.

I do like the fuller under-hood look of the Perrin piping and the BPV isn't a huge issue. I do wish I could get the Perrin piping in a nicer finish though. I'm not a fan of paint or any type of coatings.

The reason the overflow is an issue is because I'm planning on doing the impossible by retaining the COBB intake and air-box while running a fmic. I'm sure I can fabricate something so it'll sit elsewhere.
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:30 PM   #2710
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im not sure if your interested but what about the fms fmic? i retained my overflow tank (oem) with no modification, also kept my cobb sf intake but had to ditch the box.


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Old 01-03-2015, 12:55 PM   #2711
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Here is where I am a currently in the search for my new FMIC. I have narrowed it down to the ETS and the Perrin. I feel both are top quality intercoolers and either one would be a nice addition. Thoughts?

My deciding factors are:
  • Perrin is a wider core that fills the opening of the bumper better, the ETS is slightly skinnier where there will be some dead space on the far left and right of the core.
  • Perrin comes with an integrated bumper beam for safely, the ETS needs the bumper beam completely removed (not as safe).
  • ETS piping is as short as a run as possible, retains the coolant overflow, flows the correct way, and piping is a nice, brushed stainless finish. Perrin's piping is crazy long, painted finish, moves overflow in an area that is already occupied.
  • ETS is slights cheaper and easier to acquire, Perrin is harder to get and more expensive.
  • ETS keeps the BPV hard mounted, Perrin has the BPV mounted off a hose.
I choose ETS first and foremost because my tuner and my local performance shop recommended it. Both places have experience with other FMIC's but ETS is the brand they have the best success with in regards to tuning results, fitment, quality and customer service.
The above Pro's you listed are also a plus, additionally ETS offers 3, 3.5, and 4 inch cores sizes giving you a range of options.
I had concerns myself regarding the bumper beam, however from the info I could find the bumper beam is for "low speed" accidents. In theory the FMIC will act as the bumper beam. The reality is bumper beam or no bumper beam...any front end accident will likely ruin your FMIC.
I have personally viewed the 3.5 ETS installed on 2 local 08+ WRX's and it is an awesome piece for the price.
Just my .02 cents.
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Old 01-03-2015, 01:24 PM   #2712
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Overland the shop I use had had great performance with both brands. I personally went with Perrin bc I wanted a black core that was stealthy. I will tell you on my car most people don't even notice it. One critical difference between the two is Perrin's core (both silver and black) are powder coated sort of a satin finish. The ETS is polished so it might afford you some additional bling.

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Old 01-03-2015, 02:28 PM   #2713
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im not sure if your interested but what about the fms fmic? i retained my overflow tank (oem) with no modification, also kept my cobb sf intake but had to ditch the box.
I was in the original mix of front mounts to consider but it was taken out over so many mixed reviews. Their is a 75% chance that it will be fine, but I wasn't up for the hassle of it possibly not being perfect. Plus I gave a promise to someone that I would never buy one of their products because of a very bad transaction with their company.

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I choose ETS first and foremost because my tuner and my local performance shop recommended it. Both places have experience with other FMIC's but ETS is the brand they have the best success with in regards to tuning results, fitment, quality and customer service.
The above Pro's you listed are also a plus, additionally ETS offers 3, 3.5, and 4 inch cores sizes giving you a range of options.
I had concerns myself regarding the bumper beam, however from the info I could find the bumper beam is for "low speed" accidents. In theory the FMIC will act as the bumper beam. The reality is bumper beam or no bumper beam...any front end accident will likely ruin your FMIC.
I have personally viewed the 3.5 ETS installed on 2 local 08+ WRX's and it is an awesome piece for the price.
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Overland the shop I use had had great performance with both brands. I personally went with Perrin bc I wanted a black core that was stealthy. I will tell you on my car most people don't even notice it. One critical difference between the two is Perrin's core (both silver and black) are powder coated sort of a satin finish. The ETS is polished so it might afford you some additional bling.
Totally on board with what you guys are saying. So far the pipe finish wins with the ETS but the core width of the Perrin wins also for me. Stalemate...

Bumper beam, eh... Not a deal breaker

BPV location, not a deal breaker

Two different style of pipe runs.
One being as short as possible but leaving a huge hole where the TMIC was. The other one is ran in reverse but the piping sits flatter and utilizes the empty space. Once again... Stalemate

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Old 01-03-2015, 05:55 PM   #2714
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ah i hear you on what you said regarding fitment. i guess i was a lucky one


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Old 01-03-2015, 06:46 PM   #2715
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I think I may have worded that incorrectly. I do think the verticooler is a great, new innovative designs but for me, it doesn't flow with the traditional lines of the engine bay. It sits kind of awkward (vertical, haha) and then air flow it the smashed into the firewall after it goes through the intercooler. I'm in no-way saying that it'll damper performance or cause drag that way but for me, the possible gains don't outweigh the physical look under the hood.
There is actually a lot more ambient air exit path with the Verticooler when compared to a traditionally mounted intercooler which directs air straight into the engine and transmission.

You would need to see one in person...hard to tell looking at pictures.

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Old 01-04-2015, 03:42 AM   #2716
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There is actually a lot more ambient air exit path with the Verticooler when compared to a traditionally mounted intercooler which directs air straight into the engine and transmission.



You would need to see one in person...hard to tell looking at pictures.



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Hey Kev, so nice to see you on the forums and thank you for adding some more info on the verticooler! I do think a lot of people are under a misinterpretation of the design and air path of the new intercooler (including myself). For me, the visual is a little too different for my personal taste, but design, engineering, and quality are sure to be nothing but the best as always.

Once again, I can't thank you enough for the years of an awesome top mount and even better customer service.
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Old 01-04-2015, 01:00 PM   #2717
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Well, after enough thought and measurements, I've made the decision to go with the Perrin.
Actual core width on the ETS is 2" skinnier than the Perrin which is enough to make the end-tanks sit slightly inside the bumper cutouts which would leave some dead space on each side.
The volume is bigger on the ETS because of the extra height, but for me, since you don't physically see that height (hidden by bumper), it makes no difference.
I've prioritized the features between the two and since bumper fitment is number 1, it made the decision a lot easier. The other items are all under the hood which is only opened to change the oil every other year, lol

Volume of the ETS is: 26x11x3.5 = 1001 cu.in. or .58cu.ft.
Volume of the Perrin is: 28x9.25x3.5 = 906 cu.in. or .52cu.ft.

Yes, it costs more than most other intercoolers, but it's the price I'll pay for the look I'd like to have.
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Old 01-04-2015, 01:07 PM   #2718
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Jason will you do a were up on the install so I can see what u cut and blah just u know another too notch write up for some of us I have an aem intake but the coolant overflow moving is a concern to me


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Old 01-04-2015, 01:13 PM   #2719
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Jason will you do a were up on the install so I can see what u cut and blah just u know another too notch write up for some of us I have an aem intake but the coolant overflow moving is a concern to me
Hmmmm... It's been so long since I did a write up. I hope I remember how, haha!
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Old 01-04-2015, 09:42 PM   #2720
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Sweet man...I was thinking of doing either or as well...

I love ETS and Perrin but I might end up going with Perrin after all like you haha!!!

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Old 01-04-2015, 11:38 PM   #2721
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just adding my input here, i went with the fms which i picked up locally, its true you can just flip the oem tank to the airbox side but the cobb sf box has to be removed, the fms also didn't not line up with the bottom mounting holes and i believe the support beam was not welded straight which basically twisted the front mount in my case resulting in an ugly bumper with ugly cut lines to make it fit, if it were me id go with the perrin even if the pipes are powdercoated, you can always just remove the powder via chemical process and take it back to that raw finish
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Old 01-05-2015, 07:46 PM   #2722
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Sweet man...I was thinking of doing either or as well...

I love ETS and Perrin but I might end up going with Perrin after all like you haha!!!

Love you're ride!
Thanks man, I'm super excited for the Perrin. I can't wait to see the aggressive fitment!

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just adding my input here, i went with the fms which i picked up locally, its true you can just flip the oem tank to the airbox side but the cobb sf box has to be removed, the fms also didn't not line up with the bottom mounting holes and i believe the support beam was not welded straight which basically twisted the front mount in my case resulting in an ugly bumper with ugly cut lines to make it fit, if it were me id go with the perrin even if the pipes are powdercoated, you can always just remove the powder via chemical process and take it back to that raw finish
This is such a common story with the FMS. For sure, if I was going for pure function, I'd be all over it. I know I can get it to work with enough rigging to make it fit but since I just don't have the time or patience to deal with that, the extra cost of the Perrin is so much more worth it!
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Old 01-06-2015, 08:39 PM   #2723
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I totally agree with you convenience of near perfect quality and fitment is def worth paying for IMO!! Don't forget the write up


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Old 01-08-2015, 06:44 AM   #2724
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Did you ever consider the Process West front mount?
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