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12-17-2012, 01:43 PM | #201 |
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12-17-2012, 02:52 PM | #202 | |
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12-17-2012, 03:13 PM | #203 |
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It is hard, Suba.. I read that line several times on multiple days and still managed to screw it up.
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12-18-2012, 12:24 PM | #205 | |
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12-19-2012, 08:47 AM | #206 |
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12-22-2012, 10:49 AM | #207 | |
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Ford Focus ST vs. VW Golf R and…Subaru BRZ in MT's Head2Head
Scrappy, since you drove both and ended up with the golf R i'd be intrested on your take on this. Never mind the crazy outta left field BRZ comparo.
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12-22-2012, 11:57 AM | #208 |
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That's a great review of the ST. Its probably not the best car in the world and has some flaws but overall it will have you laughing and smiling every time you drive. I'm loving mine.
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12-22-2012, 12:11 PM | #209 |
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Every car has it's flaws (except the Marauder). I've been kicking around the idea of getting a Fiesta st when it comes out as a DD. How does the torque steer feel to you?
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12-22-2012, 12:25 PM | #210 |
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The steering issue is there but really only bothers me under hard first gear pulls and maybe into second under wot. And the reality is with the wheel spin you have to control both with your right foot. Overall its a fwd with lots of torque and I put up with that for the advantage of the power.
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12-22-2012, 01:16 PM | #211 | |
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12-22-2012, 01:27 PM | #212 |
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Yeah like I said any driver worth their salt can manage it pretty well. Can't comment about the track yet.
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12-22-2012, 01:30 PM | #213 |
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I will say with the stock rubber on slick snowy roads the car sucks.
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12-22-2012, 03:00 PM | #214 |
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Warpath, I was saddened by the reviewer not choosing to track the Golf R as well. But the video is what it is. If you get the impression that the Focus ST is a blast to drive, then you are right. Before buying my golf R I drove the ST and was VERY impressed by the sound and the steering and the brakes. I wrote a review on the ST else where. Things that jumped out at me.
First the ST has wonderful looks and I found I was wishing the Subaru would emulate the dash feeling, functionality and layout of the Ford. I was only considering the ST3 trim level which has the matching full leather recaros. The seats sort of pinched me a bit too much. They were very nice and all , but when I was sitting still and not driving the car I noticed the seats are not totally comfortable for me (190 lb 5'11") . But the real deal breaker for me had nothing at all to do with the driving dynamics. Because they are REALLY good. It had more to do with the rear seat room. It was the tightest of the Subaru, Golf, Focus comparison I did. That alone sort of ruled it out. But make no mistake that 270 ft lbs of torque are addictive and reminded me of my MS3. The test drive was fun, and I purposely let my hand off the wheel and floored it, and yes, the wheel did move, but it was so minor I could not ever see it being ANY ISSUE what so ever. The cars initial turn in was excellent and the brakes are nothing short of earth stopping. In the end, I was more drawn to the more refined Golf R package in general. BacDoc, I know you are enjoying your car. MOre and more of these hot little hatches that are NOT a subaru are just upping the game so far above with intangibles that Subaru does not offer. I LOVE Subarus, and I pray for a respectable Legacy GT to come out so I can buy it (and I WILL), but until then the Golf R is the perfect DD/sporty car/track toy for me. If I did not have any kiddos, I could have easily seen myself in the Focus though. There is something else I will mention in favor of the Focus that potential buyers should remember..... FORD RACING Parts department will sell a BUCKET load of performance goodies for this car. Ford really supports their performance cars. If half the amount of parts come for the ST cars as they have for the Mustang, then watch out! |
12-22-2012, 03:08 PM | #215 |
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I agree with all that. The rear seat room is tight, but I can fit the kids back there with no problem, however is it cramped. Ford Racing is set to release some stuff that will allow the car to remain under warranty but I doubt I want to pay $1000+ for an exhaust and so on.
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12-24-2012, 03:40 PM | #216 |
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Man I'm really tempted to go for an ST3, but like some people are mentioning its just so small. I have a few things I'll try with it before I cross it off the list (on which it's the only car that presently exists.) If it were WRX 5-door sized inside it would be a no brainer but yea.
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12-27-2012, 01:53 PM | #217 |
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I searched for a 2002 2003 M5 for about a year and finally gave up because of dealers that were total BS and private owners who thought they were made out of Gold.
I always liked the looks of the ST, so I test drove one and found it a blast to drive, it actually made me want to drive like a total ass. The only concern I had was the lack of power and soon that will be taken care of. I ordered the base model in Racing Blue because I found the seats to be a bit more forgiving than the ST-2'S. For 23k I am having heaps of fun, getting great gas mileage and truly looking forward to driving it every chance I get. |
12-27-2012, 02:12 PM | #218 |
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I told my dad I drove like a 16 year old too.
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12-27-2012, 04:44 PM | #219 | |
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12-27-2012, 05:09 PM | #221 |
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12-27-2012, 06:35 PM | #222 |
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12-28-2012, 10:45 AM | #223 |
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Saw one at the Auto Show yesterday. Pretty impressed with the interior. Hoping the Fiesta ST will look the same.
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12-28-2012, 11:08 AM | #225 |
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Wait, you can't turn off the stability control on a Golf R--VW's most sporting model?!
That is as lame as MINI no longer offering a real LSD in their cars... . Why are "driver's cars" being so watered down? |
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