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07-01-2010, 04:50 AM | #1301 |
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whaaa? dude why is your boost coming on so late with a TD04 sized turbo?? looks like you start making serious boost around 4400RPM -ish?
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07-01-2010, 08:46 AM | #1302 | |
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Prob due to the altitude and the dyno not loading the motor like a real road. A log would show what was up. |
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07-01-2010, 08:56 AM | #1303 |
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^^ I was going to say the altitude has a little effect. The air is thinner to start with, so its going to take a little longer to build boost. I still expected it to be a little better than that though. I'll have to browse back through and look at Ken's logs...I think his spools up faster, but he's working with a clipped L wheel, not an H wheel.
With all the recent failures we've seen from 19T turbos, regardless of manufacturer, I'm tempted to go the 16G route. My 19T still hasn't been rebuilt, not that I'm pushing him to get it done. I'm just hesitant to risk having another one die on me. So far its looking like Ken is the only one with a quality built 19T, and its too bad Deadbolt isn't in business anymore. |
07-01-2010, 02:22 PM | #1304 | |
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Somethin else is up with that - either it still has leaks or something else. that curve looks like a 30r sized turbo. (minus the peak hp.) |
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07-01-2010, 02:52 PM | #1305 |
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Wow, if your full boosting at 4500k rpm you might as well get the Evo316g turbo that boosts at 3800rpm AND makes more power. 260awhp 240wtq.. ouch. Los PT turbo es no bueno. Not trying to pick a fight but 1 thing I will mention is that, those dynos that you key in corrections and whatnot are sketchy to a lot of us tuners. The real way to see what your putting down is trap speed in the 1/4 mile. That way we know that the dyno is set up right. Because 30hp after correction is a lot. BTW 230awhp on a stock STi seems about right even at 0 C/F on that dyno. Stock WRXs dyno at 150-160awhp. I don't know why you would need 1.28 c/f for your run. |
07-01-2010, 02:53 PM | #1306 |
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Exactly, to me it looks like low boost 20G curve.
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07-01-2010, 03:09 PM | #1307 |
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I told all of you guys this pages back that if you wanted more power than the B19T to get a small 16g and not do the PT19T. BUT you should change post to PT19T not just 19T. The Blouch would spool faster than a small 16g.
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07-01-2010, 03:26 PM | #1308 | |
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It's the combination of rallying your car, high 95* temps, high altitudes and overheating the turbo caused it to fail. Any turbo would. You said you had it for 8 months. I think that is a lot of time for what your doing. Also remember when you run your car at a rally, rallycross, track day, autox, you should change oil every 4-6 weeks regardless of miles sometimes right after racing depending how long your session was. I wouldn't listen to my friends. These turbos are easy and cheap to rebuild as long as the right place is doing it. Send your turbo to Blouch and have a great turbo again, and run an oil cooler. Case closed. |
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07-01-2010, 03:32 PM | #1309 | |
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Look at my CF:1.28 dyno plot, I stay over 240 awhp from 5000 rpm through redline! I did not expect this to happen, my PT "Monstah" is basically all top end and acting more like a 16g --- but with some wicked serious pull! Harvey and I took her for a road plot, and he looked at me after a 2-3-4th pull, smiled at me that then broke into us both laughing. He said something along the lines of: "Whoa Wolf! This is a really fun set up!" Cheers, ~Wolf WTi Last edited by ForesterWTi; 07-01-2010 at 04:27 PM. |
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07-01-2010, 03:39 PM | #1310 |
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oh yeah not knocking your top end power.. but man its odd that thing spools so slowly. i wonder if it has to do with your custom wastegate divider.
are you FMIC?? that would make it spool slower too. tuning with Harv is fun. when he tuned my HTA68 on e85 we both had a good laugh when we took it out for some road pulls. one thing for your credit is that the PT monstah really does hold much better up top than a stock TD04. |
07-01-2010, 03:42 PM | #1311 | |
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I had 3 boost leaks that we tested for before my tune, please read my big write up "Dyno Day!" posting... They were all taken care of perfectly, so leaks were not an issue on my tune. He said it was the turbo. He also said he has never seen a TD04 run like this. He liked the fun factor of pulling to redline with this small of a turbo. (which is cool with me because I know my motor and tranny at 122k is for sure safe running on this tune.) Cheers, ~Wolf WTi |
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07-01-2010, 03:55 PM | #1312 | |
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07-01-2010, 03:55 PM | #1313 | |
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I am very happy to own a 1995 wagon valued at $7.5k that has 4.5 awhp more than an STi valued at $29k, not to mention that I'm 500lbs lighter. Cheers, ~Wolf WTi |
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07-01-2010, 04:10 PM | #1314 | |
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It's just a shame that I have to leave for Cali this weekend . I would order it today and go for a tune early next week if I could. Hopefully I can find a 4wheel dyno near me and get another tune BUT now at sea level . Although, the drive back to CO in 12 months would suck. I do not mind running rich at sea level fun-fun, but I dooo mind the other way around haha... so we will see. I do not know if Harvey was talking about a VSR balance machine, but he said that what they did have was OK, and he kind of ruled that out as being a big issue from that call he made to PT. Cheers, ~Wolf WTi |
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07-01-2010, 04:37 PM | #1315 | |
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So with those two issues resolved and a Grimm 3port installed, I think that my boost should hit quicker aaand will result in a 15 awhp increase. Cheers, ~Wolf WTi Last edited by ForesterWTi; 07-01-2010 at 04:59 PM. |
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07-01-2010, 05:06 PM | #1316 |
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what mbc are you running? what problems were you having with it?
10whp from the turbo coupler is how straight is fmic piping? 15whp from cleaning a filter and getting a hose that doesnt have a little kink in it......so those 2 things are gonna net you the same hp as a 19T upgrade and an ebcs will not make ur boost hit quicker than a mbc.....unless the mbc is messed up..... |
07-01-2010, 06:10 PM | #1317 | |
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07-01-2010, 07:24 PM | #1318 | |
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Cleaning/replacing the air filter, if it's a tray filter or pod, does help with performance. Think about it, if it's clogged or collapsed to the point where it is more restrictive than flowing... your not going to get a right read on the MAS. I am using a TMIC, not a FMIC. I know. I know. This is all that I have to relay back to this forum from my real life tuning and tuner's feedback. Cheers, ~Wolf WTi P.S. For the record, I went from 180awhp to 234.5awhp (CR:0) with the PT "Monstah" and supporting mods. I'd say I only paid $1000 for EVERYTHING (tune included). IMO it is totally worth it . Last edited by ForesterWTi; 07-01-2010 at 08:46 PM. |
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07-01-2010, 09:08 PM | #1319 | |
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Well i gotta fire back at that! I make your peak 260whp at 3500rpm. Then i go on to make 85 more whp and hold it out to 7200rpm.. on my STi. haha i kid i kid.. not pickin a fight just keepin it interesting |
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07-01-2010, 10:12 PM | #1320 |
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Wolf,
An Evo316G will spool faster and make same/more power at same/less psi. There is nothing to worry about breaking on your car. I'm sorry something is seriously wrong with the car or tuner. That 19T should be the same hp/tq but 1000 rpm sooner. Maybe even more tq. What size injector do you have? This has to be a super conservative timing down low. |
07-01-2010, 10:25 PM | #1321 |
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Agreed on the Evo316g.
the tuner is not the problem, hes quickly becoming one of the top tuners in the western states, so much so that COBB is turning their customers to him since they closed their Utah location... so that puts that out of the question.... has to be Turbo or some other aspect of the setup. |
07-02-2010, 12:03 AM | #1322 | |
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Power Enterprise 650cc injectors. And I am at kind of advanced, dispite her miles (122k) the motor liked it so we went with it, not tooo aggressive but there. Cheers, ~Wolf WTi |
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07-02-2010, 12:57 AM | #1323 |
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The point...
I just wanted to say that the point of this thread is 2.0 wrx's running a 19T upgraded TD04...
I know the small FP16g is fun (I had one in my 04FXT), I would LOVE the HTA68, I've ran a VF22 in a 98 LeggyGT, the Blouch standard 19T is wicked, I've had a limited 06 rex wagon, but I'm just trying to go for a FUN/reliable TD04 stage 2.5 set up in a 2.0L... at 4.5 awhp more than a stock STi my prototype DP and PT's hotside upgrade complimenting the 19T compressor side is a step in the right direction for IWG'ed TD04 2.0's. I hit 130mph today with ease WITH 4 ADULTS in my GF8 "Pink Vader" we all together did a few 60-100 sprints in 4th and some 80-130 sprints from 4th to 5th --- ALL of the runs were amazingly fast and strong in terms of pull strength. My PT "Monstah" may hit towards the 4000's to top end, but it's a lot of pull till red line . And that's now at 520miles on the turbo at 7k ft with the boost turned down to 16psi on pump 91 gas! Cheers, ~Wolf WTi Last edited by ForesterWTi; 07-02-2010 at 02:36 AM. |
07-02-2010, 09:40 AM | #1324 |
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Wolf can you post a datalog to show how this spools on the street in 3rd?
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07-02-2010, 11:11 AM | #1325 | |
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Wolf, I'm sure that car is fun on the top end, but as others have said it's a bit perplexing that the 19T is having those results! I know you mentioned the silicone coupler on the intercooler as a potential issue, though I'm curious as to what intercooler you're running? I know you mentioned earlier that it was pretty big. I just bought that hyperflow, so I'm hoping that I don't run into any late spool issues with it. Last edited by Pinned; 07-02-2010 at 11:21 AM. |
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