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Old 04-10-2012, 11:43 PM   #11001
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Same problem here we wanted a Sport Limited (cvt only) no roof, no nav, not a single one doing a national inventory search, of the handfull ,all had roof nav or both.

Gotta love projected sales and preconfigured builds, If you want it specific its going to be a wait I've learned. Im 30days in, im hopeing we have it by May.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:49 PM   #11002
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Moving this to the Impreza forum in 5...4...3...2...
Hooray! Finally a mod moves this to the correct sub-forum! Thanks BigElm.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:03 AM   #11003
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Same problem here we wanted a Sport Limited (cvt only) no roof, no nav, not a single one doing a national inventory search, of the handfull ,all had roof nav or both.

Gotta love projected sales and preconfigured builds, If you want it specific its going to be a wait I've learned. Im 30days in, im hopeing we have it by May.
My order for a Premium Hatch placed March 16, so hopefully I'm about half-way on the wait for a new car. By now there should be enough sales data for them to tweak their production. To be fair, though, local dealer inventory for other small Jap. cars is pretty low. I'd be waiting for my second or third choice of cars as well.

If Impreza sales keep climbing, I wouldn't be surprised to see them building a production line in the US in the near future.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:21 AM   #11004
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No- I'd run 87 octane but the ethanol free is only in 90. Its about ten cents more than regular 87 @ 3.99/gal.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:23 AM   #11005
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Judging from the fit and finish of the us-built subes vs my new '12 made in Gundma, moving production would be a great thing.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:25 PM   #11006
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No- I'd run 87 octane but the ethanol free is only in 90. Its about ten cents more than regular 87 @ 3.99/gal.
If you get even 1 mpg more on the pure gas, it's worth it.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:40 PM   #11007
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Funny since the title of the article is "Subaru lifts an Impreza in an Apparent Effort to Steal Sales From Itself" Sooo...http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ew?redirect=no
The diesel sounds interesting.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:43 PM   #11008
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Find 85,87,91, etc gas without ethanol in it near you.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:44 PM   #11009
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Wow i guess i got lucky. i went to VW when i was trading in my GTI. long story short they didnt want to give me what i wanted for my trade. I was on the phone with my mom and she had just bought the 3.6R Outback in SWP and they loved their new Subie and she told me to go check out the new Impreza's. i went and told them i wanted a SWP or OSB Sport premium hatch. they found one in south FL, about 3 hours from where i live. They had it at the dealer 2 days later and i went and picked it up
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:58 PM   #11010
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For me the base model wasn't a possibility since it doesn't have Bluetooth and cruise control. The paddle shifters were a nifty thing to have as well.
Ditto.

After some use in mountain roads, I find the paddle shifters of little use due to the huge amount of lock you have to dial in on the wheel. On "entertaining" roads, where you might most want to use the paddles, they are often hard to reach due to the steering ratio. Very frequently the paddles are out of reach, 2/3rds the way around the wheel mid-corner. My biggest complaints of the 2012 Impreza center around the steering and its infirm feel on center, the fact that it takes too much lock to negotiate tight turns, and the lack of feedback.

Re: the skittishness on center: I am going in for a precision all-wheel alignment soon and it's quite possible this may be cured by the alignment. I know with my old WRX, the alignment tolerances from the factory were loose enough to give screwy handling while still being within Subaru's specs. An alignment at Glenn's in Costa Mesa, CA, sharpened things up noticeably. Proper alignment also GREATLY improves the car's performance in crosswinds. Think about it: a side wind changing the emphasis from one [even slightly] misaligned wheel to the other will most definitely result in the need for some corrective steering.

The only other thing I will do to this car is to replace the rear anti-sway bar with the largest I can find. This car has the most understeer of any car I've owned and I find it unsettling. I know it's not a performance car and that it is designed to protect people who don't really know how to drive in a performance mode and for this I can forgive the decision. I, however, prefer the sharper feel of a crisper turn-in and more responsive rear end.
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Old 04-11-2012, 02:26 PM   #11011
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No- I'd run 87 octane but the ethanol free is only in 90. Its about ten cents more than regular 87 @ 3.99/gal.
I pay extra for the ethanol free gas too, only here 87 is ethanol free and 89 has ethanol in it and is cheaper.
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Old 04-11-2012, 02:30 PM   #11012
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The only other thing I will do to this car is to replace the rear anti-sway bar with the largest I can find. This car has the most understeer of any car I've owned and I find it unsettling. I know it's not a performance car and that it is designed to protect people who don't really know how to drive in a performance mode and for this I can forgive the decision. I, however, prefer the sharper feel of a crisper turn-in and more responsive rear end.
At least you recognize that it is your expectations and not the car that is at fault. I have thrown my car around a bit in the corners and it is the most rooted of any car I have owned -- but I am not comparing it to a WRX or STI (or BMW or other performance car -- the last performancy type car I owned was an 1980 Celica that was RWD and had plaid door panels!).

My car is a Sport with the OEM sway bar and 17" tires that it came with. I have no idea how the base or other versions handle.

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Old 04-11-2012, 02:33 PM   #11013
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Judging from the fit and finish of the us-built subes vs my new '12 made in Gundma, moving production would be a great thing.
You're Judging Subaru's entry level vehicle with it's Bread n Butter model. Apples to hand grenades!
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Old 04-11-2012, 02:39 PM   #11014
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interesting thoughts/experiences: i haven't tried shifting mid-turn, but i guess i never really did that with my 5 speed either (try to keep both hands on the wheel). from my very brief drive this weekend on some twisties (not really mountainous, ie, fairly flat), i found i could get the gears i wanted before and after turns quite well using the paddle shifters. i still miss my 5 spd, but the paddle shifters at least offer better control than none.

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Ditto.

After some use in mountain roads, I find the paddle shifters of little use due to the huge amount of lock you have to dial in on the wheel. On "entertaining" roads, where you might most want to use the paddles, they are often hard to reach due to the steering ratio. Very frequently the paddles are out of reach, 2/3rds the way around the wheel mid-corner. My biggest complaints of the 2012 Impreza center around the steering and its infirm feel on center, the fact that it takes too much lock to negotiate tight turns, and the lack of feedback.

Re: the skittishness on center: I am going in for a precision all-wheel alignment soon and it's quite possible this may be cured by the alignment. I know with my old WRX, the alignment tolerances from the factory were loose enough to give screwy handling while still being within Subaru's specs. An alignment at Glenn's in Costa Mesa, CA, sharpened things up noticeably. Proper alignment also GREATLY improves the car's performance in crosswinds. Think about it: a side wind changing the emphasis from one [even slightly] misaligned wheel to the other will most definitely result in the need for some corrective steering.

The only other thing I will do to this car is to replace the rear anti-sway bar with the largest I can find. This car has the most understeer of any car I've owned and I find it unsettling. I know it's not a performance car and that it is designed to protect people who don't really know how to drive in a performance mode and for this I can forgive the decision. I, however, prefer the sharper feel of a crisper turn-in and more responsive rear end.
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Old 04-11-2012, 03:09 PM   #11015
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My key is difficult to get in the ignition slot. Can I lubricate it myself with powdered graphite, or should I wait until I take it in for the first service? I've searched the forums for advice and what I really want to know is does anybody find their key goes in smoothly instead of having to be jiggled and forced?
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Old 04-11-2012, 03:34 PM   #11016
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My key is difficult to get in the ignition slot. Can I lubricate it myself with powdered graphite, or should I wait until I take it in for the first service? I've searched the forums for advice and what I really want to know is does anybody find their key goes in smoothly instead of having to be jiggled and forced?
mine does not go in smoothly either. i don't know if this is a fit and finish issue or what. my keys always went into smoothly and blindly with my Hondas. this car, i have to consciously feel to get it lined up and it doesn't go in smoothly.

i'd be curious to hear from others, too.
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Old 04-11-2012, 03:42 PM   #11017
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Your key will go in smooth over time. It just takes time, trust me.
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:06 PM   #11018
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I pay extra for the ethanol free gas too, only here 87 is ethanol free and 89 has ethanol in it and is cheaper.
I tried a tank full of the 87-ethanol free -vs- the usual 89-ethanol and thought I was getting about a 1 MPG increase. The cost difference here is about $0.13. Not sure that there really was a gain even for Winter Gas.
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:08 PM   #11019
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Your key will go in smooth over time. It just takes time, trust me.
For me, the expected placement for the key is off by about 3 degrees. I'll get used to it with time and then will have problems when driving my wifes's Out Back. Oh well..
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:34 PM   #11020
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Interesting post on the Edmunds forum related to improving the sound of the stereo. I haven't tried this.

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir...3/1048#MSG1048
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:39 PM   #11021
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The manual does say that Sport models may be taken "off-road" which we mostly all agree is B.S.
Absolutely.

When the WRX first came out, there was a rash of complaints from people with crumpled suspension pick-up points that -- pretty much -- is irreparable. Too many Colin McRae wanna-bes.

Likewise with many 4x4 full-size trucks, Hummers, etc. People don't seem to realize that the laws of inertia and momentum and mass still apply even though they have cars marketed to the tough macho consumers.

Any car can be taken "off road" provided reasonable care and speeds are observed. Reasonable being dependent on the build of the car as much as the shape of the terrain. I haven't been underneath my car, but I assume from the wording of the manual that there are no protective plates near any of the diffs and that the pick-up points have not been reenforced. In a car designed to cut cost to the consumer, those would be frivolous extras used by only a few. I drove a fairly poor Forestry Service road this weekend and for deep ruts and pot-holes I used the same techniques rock-crawlers use: I stopped, got out, observed the clearance, then proceeded with caution at very slow speed. No problems. I certainly didn't attempt any "sweet jumps".

17" wheels on an Impreza? Only in an emergency would I take them off-road. Even the 16" on my Premium don't really provide the cushion and safety margin the 15" provides. The tires and wheels of a car are most definitely a part of the complete suspension system which includes the hubs, springs, dampers, anti-sway bars, pick-up points, strut tower brace, and if fitted, roll cage.

Tall fat tires function as undamped springs. As the first thing that encounters shock loads, the tires mitigate stress to everything else in the suspension system, especially the wheels and hubs which are otherwise unsprung. If the damper and spring rates aren't matched to the tire "profile" it will result in a ride that is unduly soft or harsh depending on if the tires are tall or low profile. This is why a set of low-profile wheels and tires turns out to be the cheapest way to sharpen up performance. And why WRC racers use high-profile tires on gravel courses.
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:43 PM   #11022
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interesting thoughts/experiences: i haven't tried shifting mid-turn, but i guess i never really did that with my 5 speed either (try to keep both hands on the wheel).
Meh! Two hands are over-rated!

The main reason (for me) to shift mid-turn is to try and mitigate understeer/promote oversteer -- like a less dramatic version of a handbrake turn. Once I get the precision alignment, fat anti-sway bar and figure out my tire pressures I can probably eliminate the reprehensible act of shifting mid-corner.
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:53 PM   #11023
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Interesting post on the Edmunds forum related to improving the sound of the stereo. I haven't tried this.

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir...3/1048#MSG1048
It is interesting to note the EPA mileage on Edmund's has been adjusted downward from 27/36 to 25/33 mpg!

I drove 800 miles this last Friday-Monday and averaged around 35 mpg including several hundred miles in mountains (equal amount uphill/downhill) and a decent amount of spirited driving (California Highway 33 is pretty nice but you'd best keep to the limit on weekends due to the presence of "the man".) My average speed was around 29 MPH for the 800 miles so that show something, right? But on the freeway portions I kept steady speeds (Cruise Control) at exactly the speed limit (either 65 or 70 MPH) so those periods bumped up my MPG significantly. Other than that, I just drove, you know.
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:07 PM   #11024
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It is interesting to note the EPA mileage on Edmund's has been adjusted downward from 27/36 to 25/33 mpg!

I drove 800 miles this last Friday-Monday and averaged around 35 mpg including several hundred miles in mountains (equal amount uphill/downhill) and a decent amount of spirited driving (California Highway 33 is pretty nice but you'd best keep to the limit on weekends due to the presence of "the man".) My average speed was around 29 MPH for the 800 miles so that show something, right? But on the freeway portions I kept steady speeds (Cruise Control) at exactly the speed limit (either 65 or 70 MPH) so those periods bumped up my MPG significantly. Other than that, I just drove, you know.
Still shows "up to 27/36 MPG"

http://www.edmunds.com/subaru/impreza/2012/?sub=sedan
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:13 PM   #11025
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Either Edmunds is screwing up listing the 5spd sport MPG for a CVT or you messed up by not noticing what you saw was for a manual transmission car.

In any case, 27/36 for the CVT is accepted by the EPA so they are the numbers to go with (if you have a CVT).

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