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01-03-2013, 11:01 AM | #301 | |
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The early tunes for the ST look promising and I wouldn't be surprised to see 300-400whp examples with bolt-ons running around soon. Ford Racing parts will be sweet but I'm guessing that the cost will make Cobb's prices look cheap.
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01-03-2013, 11:46 AM | #302 | |
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By the way, how would the STs numbers look if it had skinny 215s instead of 235s? From what I hear, the reviews of the CVT "gear box" are great. |
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01-03-2013, 12:24 PM | #303 |
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I don't know about that. I know and have heard people with that engine in Mazdaspeed 6's and CX-7's that grenaded stock. It's never been a particularily reliable engine.
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01-03-2013, 01:23 PM | #304 | |
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How similar is the new ST engine to the old mill the MS3 has? |
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01-03-2013, 02:24 PM | #305 | |||
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400whp? What's your definition of bolt-ons, everything but headwork/internals? I'm willing to bet 300whp (exhaust/tune. Maybe intake if it's worth it) is going to be the ceiling for the car reliably. Beyond that you're getting into diminishing returns price-for-power, much like our cars beyond a downpipe/protune. Still, 300whp in a FWD car is too much. You're going to need some sticky tires and some nice pads/rotors for that "diff" Quote:
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01-03-2013, 02:59 PM | #306 |
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http://blog.caranddriver.com/ford-ra...012-sema-show/
Sounds like some nice parts to throw on there. Only problem is it'll keep knocking that price up... |
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01-03-2013, 03:58 PM | #308 |
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01-03-2013, 04:53 PM | #309 | |
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But yea it's always bone-chilling to see price tags on stuff like this. More so with premium brands like BMW or the world champion gougers, Porsche. Should be priced $/carat. |
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01-03-2013, 04:58 PM | #310 |
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Sometimes not so much but sometimes less as Borla makes the Ford Racing exhausts for Mustangs and they usually retail for less than the Borla versions. Some of the Ford Racing parts are rebranded GT500 or Boss 302 parts and it's always nice to have OEM fittiment. I know aftermarket Mustang parts are cheaper in general than aftermarket parts for Japanese cars.
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01-03-2013, 05:17 PM | #311 | |
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01-03-2013, 05:50 PM | #312 |
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Yeah, that Stoptech kit (Figure it'd be Brembo with Ford) is nice, but **** it's expensive. I wonder though, is something like a BBK would help reel in some of the wheelspin. apply the same pressure via the master cylinder, but with a larger surface area. Should cut down on spin.
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01-03-2013, 08:35 PM | #313 | |
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01-03-2013, 08:36 PM | #314 |
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You're probably right as I have no experience with Ford Racing stuff. I was just going by the typical SPT/Mazdaspeed/TRD stuff that's usually 25 to 100% higher than non-OEM.
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01-03-2013, 11:38 PM | #315 |
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This. I haven't driven it yet, but I've seen enough reviews to know adding power to this won't be on my list of things to do. Nor would it be my motorsports car. It would be a fun, nicely appointed, utilitarian daily.
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01-04-2013, 08:02 AM | #316 | |
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Therefore it is fair/logical to compare/cross-shop a WRX and Forester. Therefore it is logical to compare a Forester XT to a Focus ST. I'd take a 2014 FXT over the Focus ST anyday as a daily driver. At least the FXT doesn't have a 20s time limit on power & torque, and in the snow or rain the FXT has AWD compared to the STs 1 wheel front drive "sports car" setup. Remember, the ST is heavy, on the order of 3200lbs and more depending on the options you put on it. The FXT weighs about 3200lbs even with sunroof, has paddle shifters to let the drive choose when to shift at what RPM. Just a simple protune and some decent tires and many kids in the STs that mommy and daddy bought are going to be like That said, I'd consider the ST as daily driver simply because its economical and just fast enough in stock trim to keep up with the V6 Accords and Camrys of the world, and it's 6spd manual. |
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01-04-2013, 08:06 AM | #317 |
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At least my ST isn't apart of a massive recall.
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01-04-2013, 08:41 AM | #318 | |
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1) There's no proof that the '14 Forester XT and WRX will be sharing anything because there's a void of info on there being a new WRX. 2) We *do* know the new FXT engine/chassis is different than the older FXTs. --kC |
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01-04-2013, 08:56 AM | #319 | |
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Just because they share components doesn't mean that makes them comparable. Sure people will, but the average buyer isn't going to compare a WRX and FXT as they are in different segments. Comparing an AWD SUV and a hot FWD hatchback is silly. And yes, again, I drove both. And the WRX and FXT don't share a transmission. |
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01-04-2013, 09:27 AM | #320 |
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I am convinced that GetTheLedOut is in a postion in life where he must have an SUV and he is trying to justify he is not settling by not getting a hot hatch...
You are settling. Yes the Forester is an IDEAL family car. I may get one next. But have no illusions that it will ever be the drivers car my Golf R is. Oh and making a big deal out of not getting overboost for more than 20 seconds is just stupid. How often are you on WOT/full boost for more than 20 seconds. Lets not forget, you do not lose all torque, you only drop back to the factor set 250ish ft lbs. So you are hardly without power. Man, you guys truly like to believe you are race car drivers huh? How many times do I have to tell you, you are just an average joe with average joe driving skills who is about to buy an average car. The big picture is you are not buying a race car and that 20 second overboost limit will NEVER crop up in daily driving. |
01-04-2013, 09:32 AM | #321 |
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Outside of the "protune" for a CVT crossover bit, it seems like everyone picked every statement in that last post apart and I don't need to make an anti-troll post. Thanks.
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01-05-2013, 08:52 AM | #322 | |
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But I don;t get the infatuation with with ST. It's a quick car, and nothing more. An SI is nearly as fast in a straight line and is cheaper and has a helical LSD. A MS3 is faster in a straight and in the twisties. The ST is simply (to me) a cool DD. Last edited by GetTheLedOut; 01-05-2013 at 11:29 AM. |
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01-05-2013, 09:06 AM | #323 |
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THe ST is a great car because of the amount of fun you can have for the money. If you load it up with every option imaginable it will come in less than a loaded WRX while giving you much more interior refinement, and technology. The only thing missing would be AWD and truthfully to most people that does not matter one bit.
Not sure I understand your post about the STI nearly as fast. It is faster, but a loaded STI costs 10k more than the ST, and your still stuck with a car that looks 10 years old on the inside. I have not seen a comparison between the MS3 and ST, but I would bet it would be super close in both a straight line and 'in da twisties'. Plus the Ford Looks 100% better on the inside and out side (in my humble opinion). All your options sound like good ones. Good luck with whatever you choose. |
01-05-2013, 10:00 AM | #324 | |
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Either way it sounds like you've got good options. Last edited by schweezly; 01-05-2013 at 10:09 AM. |
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I figured I would at least copy the article word for word and allow everyone to make their own conclusion and just not my words for it. Quote:
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