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02-14-2013, 12:46 AM | #126 | |
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I also just realized that, since my motor is in a confined space, the first side I rolled it over on the engine stand so I did it upside down... I used the correct torque pattern but with the motor upside down, will this affect how it seats or should it be fine. The passenger side I did in only ft lbs, did 15-30-60-90, turn in 6-5-4-3-2-1 order 90 degrees then 6-5-4-3-2-1 180 degrees, then re did 60-90. Does that sound okay??
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02-15-2013, 06:06 PM | #127 |
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Can anyone tell me if torquing my ARP's down with the head upside will affect how it seats or no?
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02-15-2013, 07:12 PM | #128 |
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Man you need to explain a little better. ^
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02-15-2013, 07:13 PM | #129 |
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Do you mean will there be issues torquing the head on with it up side down like the valvetrain facing the ground?
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02-15-2013, 07:23 PM | #130 |
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Sorry, I meant- I have my motor on an engine stand and I rolled it over so that my exhaust ports are facing upwards, I torqued my heads down upside down. Like in the correct order of 1-2-3-4-5-6 technically I guess I did like 2-1-4-3-6-5 or something. Still the same pattern, just not the same bolts
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02-15-2013, 08:21 PM | #131 | |
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02-15-2013, 08:42 PM | #132 |
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Awesome. Are the heads suppose to be difficult to get over the little protruding dowels? I had to give mine a few love taps with a rubber mallet to make them go over
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02-15-2013, 09:12 PM | #133 |
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It shouldn't just fall on them. I lube them with engine assembly lube a very small amount and it helps with that but I'm sure your fine.
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02-15-2013, 09:13 PM | #134 |
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I usually just jiggle the head a little and eventually it seats itself on dowels. But it can be tough.
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02-17-2013, 11:59 PM | #135 |
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My passengers side intake cam won't go in all the way... Has a bit of in and out play at the front of the cam and the cam caps have about 1/16" of space between the cap and the head...
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02-18-2013, 12:00 AM | #136 |
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Edit: my friend is suppose to be bringing me his set of cams from an 02 wrx... If I use his cam will I need to change my shims??
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02-18-2013, 12:12 AM | #137 |
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You'll def have to check your lash.
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02-18-2013, 03:04 AM | #138 |
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02-18-2013, 10:31 AM | #139 |
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well on newer ej engines the buckets or the round things that are on top of the valve stems have a built in/molded hump in them. you can get different size buckets that change the space/clearance between cam and bucket. therefore changing the clearance/or how much the valve is open closed as well as slightly how long.
on older ej's the buckets have shims. anyway any changes to the heads require the heads to be measured and adjusted accordingly. its crucial. check out the fsm for pics and help. its not to hard |
02-18-2013, 05:04 PM | #140 |
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Nice build bro !! keep up
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02-19-2013, 12:54 AM | #141 |
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I'm going to **** someone's **** up, I don't know how the **** I didn't notice this when I got my heads back. I picked them up from the shop, they went on a pad in the back of my moms CRV, then they set in the corner of my room on soft bamboo floor for 3 months. When I was installing my cams my passengers side intake cam would not sit in the head level. Upon much further inspection the journal has had something dropped on it too chip and dent the journal, beyond repair.
Can I reuse the head gasket and the ARP's? Even after stretch an torque |
02-19-2013, 02:11 AM | #142 |
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You can reuse the arp's but never reuse a hg.
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02-19-2013, 02:43 PM | #143 | |
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I'd take some pics and post them OP: If the head is F-ed I got a spare I could rebuild and get out for ya Last edited by Paul; 02-19-2013 at 03:25 PM. |
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02-19-2013, 02:49 PM | #144 |
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Excellent post. Could easily be installed out of order
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02-19-2013, 05:03 PM | #145 |
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Not out of order. Me and a friend checked it out last night, I'll post pictures in a bit. Idk if the head can be saved. Something was dropped on the center cam journal for my ride side intake, one side is chipped off and the other side has a ridge that interferes with the cam
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02-19-2013, 05:44 PM | #146 |
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Dang :/ maybe machine shop will work with you on money or something
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02-20-2013, 01:30 PM | #147 |
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a few updated pics along with pictures of the head damage, can I save the head if the machine shop smooths it all out or will the missing chunk cause oiling problems with the cam???
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02-20-2013, 02:05 PM | #148 |
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Sad day, but it doesn't look too bad. Might be saveable, looks like its just something that needs a quick clean up hone to remove the extra material and if time is not a big deal some shops will run it with the next line hone they do for cheap. But unless you have machine work already done I would just snag a used head that you can switch your parts over too. I had a few face palm moments on my build (still need to fix an oil leak) but I just chalk them up to a lesson learned, next build I would bet that you will box up your heads until your ready to toss them on. I learn the hard way too but it STICKS!!! Good luck
I cant tell from the pic but if the flat mating surface is no longer flat it will take more then a simple line hone to fix, you will need to have that surface re-flattened as well. In that case I would get a different head seeing the cost will be that much more to repair. |
02-20-2013, 03:16 PM | #149 |
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In those pics they dont look "that" bad but the pictures do kinda suck. I would take them to the machine shop and see if they can deburr and polish them real quick for ya. If the head is worse then that only option would be a line hone. I disagree w/ the guy above saying you could maybe get the line hone for a decent price...and if you did I wouldnt trust the work. Its time consuming and alot of work to do it right and itd suck to spend 200-300+ just to be in the same spot you are in now. If it does need one get another set of heads
Did you say the cams dont spin well when bolted down? Did you ever check you valve lash?? |
02-20-2013, 03:44 PM | #150 | |
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