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03-13-2013, 06:57 PM | #3951 | |
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However, my avg mpg gauge has been sitting at 30 all week from a change in drive. I'm convinced nothing else has the impact that route and right foot have.
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03-13-2013, 08:04 PM | #3952 |
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I needed to fill with E0 a few times in a row to get the full benefit (this is, to bring mixture of ethanol gas in my tank down to approaching E0).
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03-13-2013, 08:04 PM | #3953 | |
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03-13-2013, 08:33 PM | #3954 | |
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03-13-2013, 08:43 PM | #3955 | |
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That is when you go and ask.. well why is that the case. Say you have a 2012 Corolla vs 2012 Impreza via EPA testing. Yes they may run equal efficiency numbers during these tests whether it be city or highway but then you put these cars on the road in real time driving, with real time conditions (i.e. cold weather, snow, rain, traffic, etc). Simply due to the fact that the two vehicles operate differently on the road could honestly explain why the numbers are so far apart once off the lot. (a lighter FWD car with possibly less HP vs a heavier fulltime AWD car) Funny... that is exactly what some of the guys here have been saying the entire time lol And yes the intended ranges are posted just under those EPA estimate (on the car stickers) for each car on the lot as well. So for those who question the validity of 27/30/36 those ranges actually tell you what you can expect from the Impreza. They simply won't market those numbers full blast because well duh, they want to sell the car. Last edited by Zauri; 03-13-2013 at 08:51 PM. |
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03-13-2013, 08:49 PM | #3956 |
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Ultimately if enough people get pissed off about the mpg's Subaru will be sued just like Kia, Hyundai owners did and I honestly thought it was a bit ridiculous seeing how all most of them received were gifts cards and they gladly went back to the cars they were so up in arms about lol. And the ratings only went down by what 2 mpg's? You'd think after seeing that Subaru would be gearing up for the gauntlet if these numbers continued to draw that much concern.
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03-13-2013, 09:22 PM | #3957 |
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I agree with what people are saying here. It appears that while it's possible for the Impreza to match the EPA numbers, it also appears that the Impreza is more sensitive to any deviation away from the EPA's driving methods than most cars. This results in MPGs that are further from the window sticker than many people expect.
So why aren't I upset about this? Because I'm able to get 30+ MPGs without too much trouble. I've never gotten 36 MPGs, even on a highway roadtrip. But I can easily get 33 MPGs on that trip, and that's good enough for me. When the highway MPGs of Imprezas was in the twenties (that is, any Impreza before 2012), the fuel economy was too low for the car to make it only my radar screen. I always appreciated the reliability of Subarus, and always thought the AWD could be useful, but I didn't want to own a compact car that got the fuel economy of a much larger car. Once the 2012 Impreza came out with highway MPGs in the thirties, at that point the fuel economy was sufficient for me to consider buying one. Not stellar, but sufficient. When I decided to dump my TDI, I didn't like the idea of going back to a common, boring FWD car. The TDI was a unique car, and I wanted to replace it with something that was more reliable than my TDI but not typical like all of my past Hondas. I liked the uniqueness of Subaru's boxer engine and AWD, and the MPGs were finally adequate (although certainly not as good as a Civic or Corolla), so I accepted "good enough" fuel economy in order to get the other unique advantages that Subarus have to offer. So that's how I came to buy my Impreza, and that's why I accept its fuel economy even though I admit that the driving style required to get acceptable fuel economy is very constrained. |
03-13-2013, 09:35 PM | #3958 | |
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03-13-2013, 09:50 PM | #3959 | |
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I have taken my Limited CVT on a few 260 mile round trips to Winchester VA Cruising between 55-65 mph and each time I take this trip I managed anywhere close to 32-33 mpgs. Or in retrospect 230-240 miles on 1/2 a tank of gas. Now when i come back home of course, I barely break 300 on a full tank lol |
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03-13-2013, 10:04 PM | #3960 | |
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But of course it is easy to match the EPA numbers. All you have to do is drive slowly enough. I'll bet I could get 50 mpg if I drove about 35 or 40 mph. And why do you state "it also appears that the Impreza is more sensitive to any deviation away from the EPA's driving methods than most cars. This results in MPGs that are further from the window sticker than many people expect." What evidence do you have to support that statement? |
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03-13-2013, 10:05 PM | #3961 | |
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The way you wrote that makes it sound like you expected to see 36, but were satisfied to see only 33, when you are in fact seeing the top range provided by Subaru via the EPA testing for your car (same as mine). |
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03-13-2013, 10:23 PM | #3962 | ||
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23/24 is pretty low, but how hard are you on the gas? I am very easy on the gas and can achieve 30+mpg no problem... Quote:
I care about time, but does 1-2min on your commute really make a difference? sure it adds up, but so does taking dumps each morning, while trying to beat a level on your phone.. |
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03-13-2013, 10:24 PM | #3963 | |
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This is my opinion, I think Subaru truley false advertised the MPG's for the CVT PZEV Impreza. I can honestly tell you I have done everything in my power to drive this car as efficiently (let's call it grandma) and cannot reach an AVG 30MPG, I know a dead horse. But that does not change the fact that many of us are living with far inferior avg mpg's claimed by SBOA. I dont want to accept what I am acheiving, hence my complaint file with SBOA. I agree, when I saw the advertisements for the Impreza, seemed like an excellent fit for my new needs, but now getting an AVG of less than 28mpg when I was significantly beating that in a car rated much less really upsets me. As you know I wanted/needed an A/T. I know many will only drive M/T, I was one and still have one and appreciate why many would!! But my 2013 Impeza CVT PZEV, the way I drive should at the min, hit an AVG of 30MPG, and it does not. So I can't/wont just lye down and accept it. That said, my car is actually very nice, leather, sunroof, have aftermkt Sat radio, love the interior space and MPG's aside is perfect for my commute and has made me a more relaxed driver due to the CVT, but I am just pissed about SBOA false advertising and purchased this car expecting to improve my daily commute only to be dissapointed. I guess what I am saying is, I have driven my car for almost 5,500 miles in the most efficient manner that I think anybody on this forum can, rarely break 65mph and always light accelerate, and the CVT PZEV does not live up to any of SBOA advertised MPG claims IMO. It is a very good little wagon, but burn me once and your done! I wish you nothing but the best for you and your car. |
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03-13-2013, 10:35 PM | #3964 | |
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03-13-2013, 10:38 PM | #3965 | ||
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Yep, I think we have an obsession in our midst.. |
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03-13-2013, 10:38 PM | #3966 | |
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Cruise does matter IMO much better than foot controlled. Hows your AVG MPG? I know the cruise on MPG will never show a stable number as it has to keep applying gas, but still gives me over 30mpg no problem.. |
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03-13-2013, 10:41 PM | #3967 | |
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Sure over 200,000miles, definitely, but no matter what, something will take your time. Traffic for example. No matter what, there is lots of dead time in everything.. Waiting in line for food, waiting to purchase things, etc.. Sorry i can't help cure your obsession for trying to find teenage girls.. Definitely picked up the wrong car man. Should've been a white Ford van. |
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03-13-2013, 10:41 PM | #3968 |
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Done both with same results, with achieving less than expected MPG's did what most intelligent people would do, try both. Same results.
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03-13-2013, 10:43 PM | #3969 |
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03-13-2013, 10:45 PM | #3970 |
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I suppose it would be different for flatlanders who could put it in manual 6th and it would keep up the speed, but a little tiny grade is all it takes to not keep up, or in auto for the engine to start winding up...
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03-13-2013, 10:46 PM | #3971 | |
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But isn't your commute in a lot of traffic, hence why you didn't want to drive a stick anymore? You probably don't get a chance to use the cruise |
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03-13-2013, 10:50 PM | #3972 | |
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regardless, if you find you can't get 30mpg average driving at snail's pace for a highway trip, i agree: you have a beef with SOA. something is wrong with your car, PZEV or not, even if Subaru inflated the numbers or gamed the system. |
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03-13-2013, 10:52 PM | #3973 |
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20 Mile commute, 90% is highway, 10% side roads with lights, consistenly beat 30+ MPG with 2010 GTI 6spd rated much lower. Please dont start with prem fuel, fwd, etc... MPG ratings are MPG ratings. And I can promise you I drive much slower in the impreza.
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03-13-2013, 10:57 PM | #3974 |
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No I do use the CC on some of the commute, but sometimes it is just not safe to do so.. and I find that the CC sometimes is less efficient. Believe me, I have done sample tests even on weekends. I dont dissagree that cc can help avg mpg, just my samples have not proved that either is better. I appreciate what you are trying to say though. Just found doesn't make a difference.
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03-13-2013, 11:33 PM | #3975 | |
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