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01-15-2008, 11:38 AM | #1 |
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2.0L bolt-on limit
Hey guys, haven't found any precise threads on this. My question is... I have an 02 WRX and want the following:
- evoIII 16g - huge turboxs TMIC (staying top-mount for now) - walbro fuel pump - pe650 injectors - water/alch injection Can I run this on stock internals? Any of you that a similiar set-up or larger on stock internals? Is this safe with a good tune or is this pushing it? Please, don't tell me about how the power will be hard on my tranny.... PPG's sucka! |
01-15-2008, 11:46 AM | #2 |
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Here is my setup on stock internals:
FP EvoIII 16G Hyperflow TMIC 255/lph Walbro Deatchworks 650's Catless header/uppipe 3in Turboback Open source tune This with a good tune should put you between 300-320 and that is kinda safe for stock internals. Just be carefull thats all. Good luck and expect to spend alotta money. |
01-17-2008, 09:43 AM | #3 | |
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01-17-2008, 10:47 AM | #4 | |
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** Another question here maybe someone can help me with.... Am I going to need wideband o2 sensor for this???? Wasn't aware of that but seems like I've seen it come up. Anyone know what the deal is with that? EDIT: Oh, wait.... you were talking to boostinwagon, weren't you? My bad. |
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01-17-2008, 11:26 AM | #5 | |
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Once you move into some of the more advanced bolt ons and tunes, many will argue that you need a good EGT gauge. If a car is running lean, it will probably show up as increased EGT temperatures. HOPEFULLY this gauge will give you enough warning to let you know if you should back off and get the car checked out. With the mods you have planned, I would at least get one of these. The wideband is something that is an absolute necessity if you plan to do your own tuning. If you are not doing the tuning on your own, it's probably not that necessary.... but it does let you catch problems as they happen, as apposed to an EGT gauge which relies on reading the accumulated heat created by another problem. Some people run them all the time, but my own tuner said he only uses his when he is remapping a car. I've heard similar word from a few other people who are pretty good at tuning. I may have some misinformation here, but I researched this quite a bit, and the above info is what I gathered from my reading. Anyone feel free to chime in and correct me if I've misinterpreted something. |
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01-17-2008, 11:37 AM | #6 |
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Mod List: FPEVOIII16g Turbo DW 650's SSAC FMIC Walabro Fuel Pump Denso Plugs K&N Typhoon Cobb AC Greddy SP2 Exhaust Helix DP (Catless) Turbo XS UP A HUGE thanks to Chris @ XX-Tuning. 28K, Stock Internals, No Meth. Will do Shortblock swap Next Year, or as long as I could go. You have your PPG's so the most expensive mod is complete, now do a shortblock, FPGreen, call it a day 350+whp. |
01-15-2008, 11:50 AM | #7 |
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careful, yes....
also dont expect to have the stock motor go past 80k with those mods. *CHECK YOUR OIL LIKE EVERYDAY* |
04-25-2008, 08:33 PM | #8 |
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05-21-2008, 10:23 AM | #9 |
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01-15-2008, 11:56 AM | #10 |
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yeah, see... I've heard that this would be safe and seems like I've heard of others running around the 350whp range and that's what I'm shooting for. I just don't want to get into rods, pistons, etc. I will eventually (like, when my motor blows or in about 4 years) drop a 2.5L in it and go rotated but I want something more than stg2 to tide me over. I really like the idea of the aforementioned set-up but I don't want to blow it up, ya' know?
** just saw the "your engine won't last past 80k" comment. I certainly don't want that. So... what would I need to run that safely OR what other "safer" set-up would you recco? I need more power but I need a reliable car. Ah... the balance of work and pleasure, desire and necessity. lol. |
01-15-2008, 12:13 PM | #11 |
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I would say more power and reliability are two words that dont go together. With mods like that you may run into some problems down the road and then you have to play detective to figure out where the issue is. Do you really want the hastle of knowing that you are pushing your motor to its limits, checking your oil every day All I am saying is that you and others that have done it are taking a risk of blowing something up. What is the real problem, are you trying to get to work faster. And I read your first post saying "dont tell me about my tranny". Well with that power you better consider your trans, because one mis shift, and it could go boom Now when you think about it, is that really a risk you are willing to take?
Just think about it. If something breaks, will you have the cash to fix it. Again, I am not trying to discourage you, just saying what might happen. Good luck Ryan |
01-15-2008, 12:27 PM | #12 | |
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The reason I say that about the tranny is that I have PPG's now so I didn't need a lecture on how "the stock tranny can't hold that power" b/c that is not the case in my case. I'm not so foolish as to throw junk on my car that will destroy it. That's why I'm trying to figure out what it takes (specifically) to get a 2.0L to that mark safely OR what can I do to add some nice power on stock internals without being that near teh danger zone. Everyone should know that I'm not a kid. I saved for a long time to buy this car and I treat it with the fear and respect it deserves. I RARELY run it up to 6k RPM and have launched once ever and don't plan to again unless I make a 1/4 run on a track. Not into drag racing (but may on rare occassion) but I do want to eventually make mine a time attack monster (after new motor and several years). So... all that being said, can we continue to talk this over and see what I may be able to do for now? |
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01-15-2008, 05:06 PM | #13 | |
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Wow dude read the ****in thread before you post. He has ppg's sucka His tranny is very well capable of handling that power. |
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01-15-2008, 12:07 PM | #14 |
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I am trying to achieve the same amount of power, but iplan new internals, 20g, front mount, 650 injectors, wallbro fuel pump. I also plan on obtaining an 8000 rpm redline. Goodluck on the build.
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01-15-2008, 12:09 PM | #15 |
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i have 60k on my car and its fine and as long as you dont beat on it all the time and keep up with regular maintenance you will be fine. I also plan on going built block and rotated when it grenades. Good Luck
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01-15-2008, 12:12 PM | #16 |
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any idea on what kind of upgraded internals would be needed to max out that set-up? Forged pistons, I know, but what else and how much is some of that? I just assume it would be more cost-effective to wait for a complete engine swap later down the line but maybe I'm wrong? I don't know, I just know I need more power and want to do it safely.
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01-15-2008, 12:15 PM | #17 |
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think of it this a way. stock= restrictions= reliable
no restrictions= fun= bigger turbo= not so reliable. there is no "hit this amount of miles and your car goes boom", but it is safe to say from past owners that our little 2.slows rarely make it past said named benchmark with those types of mods. im at 60k now stg2- ic hoses, short ram, header, UP, DP, Exhaust, ECUtek road tune. i dont kill my motor at all and expect it to be good for over 100k, if i keep it that long. it seems the bearings in our motors are the crap point, due to improper oil levels. think maybe vf series turbo, that will be more reliable than the evo III, but not as fun. up to you man, your car, yourr rules. good luck! |
01-15-2008, 12:18 PM | #18 |
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^^^^^With the proper oil level in the car at all times, you shouldn't have an problem with the spun bearing though, right?
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01-15-2008, 12:22 PM | #19 |
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01-15-2008, 03:03 PM | #20 | |
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How is it more reliable? If anything, it is less so, especially with the inherent crack on a lot of VF39s. Also, the MHI turbos can be rebuilt and compressor wheels can be changed |
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01-16-2008, 08:11 PM | #21 | |
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01-15-2008, 12:18 PM | #22 |
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If I decide to not go with 8000 rpm redline I am gonna go with forged pistons, new rods, bearings, apr studs and maybe cams. If I go 8000 rpm then I am going to get a new crank as well.
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01-15-2008, 12:18 PM | #23 |
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I think its all in the tune, obviously the higher mileage you got the tougher it is on the motor, but I've seen really conservative tunes with 18G's 20's even and dudes have been pushing them for a long time.
Tell your tuner your looking to daily drive and that you dont wan't an agressive map. |
01-15-2008, 12:35 PM | #24 |
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hopefully Audiosavvy will join us in a moment and maybe he has some ideas. He's going to be running the same set-up I mentioned earlier minus the water/alch injection and seems to think it's good to go on stock intenals and that there shouldn't be much cause for concern. I know people are going to have different opinions but let's try to see some logic here.
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01-15-2008, 12:36 PM | #25 |
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