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09-26-2013, 01:54 PM | #4151 |
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09-26-2013, 03:06 PM | #4152 | |
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First post, but have been following this thread for a while. I really need to downsize vehicles and knock the gas mileage out of the park due to a significant change to my length of commute. I also need at least AWD where I live. Impreza fits this bill like no other car, really. Test drove it and like it. But I'm coming from an Xterra, which is essentially bullet-proof, and if I have to baby-sit oil consumption like a bratty kid, I'm going to be ticked. |
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09-26-2013, 04:12 PM | #4153 |
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Well they have a tsb for the PAPER wrapped seat springs sqeaking, yet they still dont put the bushings on the seat frames. You have to complain about your cheapo seat and wait to get it fixed.
Why did subaru go so far with their denials of the rings being a problem? Its not a vin-range, its every fb except the first year of foresters with that engine. From what techs have told me the 11' fozzys are the worst fb oil burners. This will, imo, most likely take some of that "legendary resale value" away,but rightly so. I would never buy a used fb or fa engined subaru. the warranty is pretty hard to cash in on a BRAND NEW car a month old,I couldnt even imagine if it had 30k on it... |
09-26-2013, 04:14 PM | #4154 |
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There is one thing for sure- It most definitely isnt just some ''unique individuals" anymore.
I guess the dealer people werent kidding when they said subaru was starting to admit the problem was real. |
09-26-2013, 05:24 PM | #4155 | |
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09-26-2013, 05:30 PM | #4156 | |
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How does this cover only a "limited" number of vehicles but the TSB doesn't specify which vehicles it's limited to, only saying 2012-2013? Were they experimenting with ring coatings? Did they have more than one vendor supplying rings? Did the ring vendor(s) have an issue? OR does this really affect ALL 2012-2013 N/A Imprezas with "limited" meaning limited to 2012 and 2013s? |
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09-26-2013, 05:33 PM | #4157 | |
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09-26-2013, 05:41 PM | #4158 |
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09-26-2013, 05:44 PM | #4159 |
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09-27-2013, 03:09 AM | #4160 |
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From what I understand vehicles with build dates 2/13 and newer have the new ring design
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09-27-2013, 03:12 AM | #4161 | |
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09-27-2013, 03:15 AM | #4162 |
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The tsb refers to the new fb engine oil consumotion form. Vehicke has ro have at least 3,000 mikes. And doesn't require 4 trips to establish. First trip it is down the 1/3 meets the requirements of the tsb
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09-27-2013, 08:04 AM | #4163 |
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09-27-2013, 08:35 AM | #4164 | |
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09-27-2013, 08:44 AM | #4165 | |
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So I think when Subaru says "limited number of vehicles", that's their way of saying that only cars showing the oil-consuming symptom are affected. It would be unwise to replace the rings on all cars built before 2/13 regardless of whether they are consuming oil or not. I, for one, do not want my Impreza's rings replaced. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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09-27-2013, 08:50 AM | #4166 |
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Just a quick google search shows all Imprezas come from Gunma, Japan and all FBs are made at a new factory Subaru built just for that engine.
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09-27-2013, 08:54 AM | #4167 | |
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I really want to know what it is about the coating of the rings that makes some vehicles use oil, but not others. |
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09-27-2013, 09:05 AM | #4168 |
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09-27-2013, 09:29 AM | #4169 |
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I read that tsb on another site, and it said it still requires the car to burn the 1.1 quarts in 1200 miles. Thats whats posted on XV Forum. I'll try to get the tsb in its entirety and not rewritten. But I'm not paying SOA to download pdf's.
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09-27-2013, 09:33 AM | #4170 |
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Again, after having read this thread over the months, I understand how those affected by the rings are upset. I've never owned a Subaru, but I've always considered it a top car name.
Subaru is not the only top car maker to have a rather large problem. I had an '04 Tacoma. Loved that truck. That thing was amazing. Come to find out the 98-04 model year had the wrong mix in the alloy for the frame, and they were rusting out, bigtime. I fell victim to that. I was able to dump the truck on a dealer, but my frame was perforating after 5 years. Others were having total frame replacements. Heavy duty surgery there. The Xterra I have (2010)... the first three years of the design 05-07 had a major problem. The tranny cooler circulated through the bottom of the radiator beneath the engine coolant. The transmission fluid was corrosive to the layer of metal separating the fluid from the coolant, and eventually would fail allowing the coolant into the transmission. This has lovingly been dubbed the "strawberry milkshake of death", as the transmission fluid looked like a frothy milkshake when the transmission failed. Toyota backed the frame issue fairly well. Nissan extended transmission warranties, but it's not as good as what Toyota did. But at least the Subaru problem is not on par with these. Again, I totally understand why people with an oil user are pissed. A new car should be better. |
09-27-2013, 10:31 AM | #4171 |
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These new developments make it a lot clearer why (so far, knock on wood) my 3/13 built XV hasnt burnt any oil yet, while my 10/11 Impreza required top-offs and low oil lights.
Btw- my dads 99 toyota had a rotten frame pretty quickly too. |
09-27-2013, 10:33 AM | #4172 |
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^^ Nicely written post, John. Good job. I enjoyed the "strawberry milkshake of death" reference.
What is your profession, if you don't mind me asking? I'm a technical writer, so I appreciate your post. |
09-27-2013, 10:35 AM | #4173 |
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Yes, but as you know, not every FB engine built before 2/13 is an oil consumer. In fact, most are not.
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09-27-2013, 10:41 AM | #4174 | |
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