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02-03-2010, 05:42 PM | #1 | |
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US military is phasing out HMMWV, March 2010
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02-03-2010, 05:48 PM | #2 |
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Not too surprised, now that Hummer's owned by China.
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02-03-2010, 06:08 PM | #3 |
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are the military and civilian brands even related?
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02-03-2010, 06:09 PM | #4 |
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No worries the next trucks will be automated and our boys will be safe sitting in a comfy secure room running patrol from their lap top.
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02-03-2010, 07:21 PM | #5 |
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02-03-2010, 07:29 PM | #6 |
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There's a smaller version of the MRAP that will probably replace the hummer, but it's not cheap. Just imagine this but smaller.
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02-03-2010, 07:51 PM | #7 |
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the MRAP is the biggest piece the army has wasted its money on. Not maneuverable when trying to assault an objective, easy to roll, and an extremely stiff suspension. When it comes to maintence, its always in the shop, and never enough supplies to fix it. Only plus is the ability to obtain higher speeds than HUMVEE, and tough as nails.
Honestly I chose a HUMVEE over the MRAP all day long! |
02-03-2010, 08:02 PM | #8 | |
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02-03-2010, 10:36 PM | #9 | |
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yea they're easier to roll & a crap load heavier, but a lot of the troops seem to like the MRAP better. Unlike when the hummer (even w/ the armored kits) when the MRAP gets hit w/ something (RPG, road side bomb/IED...etc) the first layer of armor is designed to crack leaving the 2nd layer ok keeping everyone inside ALIVE, unlike the hummer that just blows up. Even the under side is protected the same way, but in the hummer you might as well be driving a Ford F-150. One of the production managers came out and gave us a 2 day class on them. He said that a lot of navy guys & marines all say they would rather be in the MRAP if they were to get hit w/ something. |
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02-03-2010, 11:06 PM | #10 |
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Let's hope they want some Buffaloes or some Cheetahs - I have stock in Force Protection.
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02-04-2010, 07:14 AM | #11 |
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Did you see your last point? If I was going to get hit I would like to be in an M1 abrams tank too, but that doesn't make them a good choice necessarily for troop transport. There are significant downsides to changing from a vehicle like the H1 to the MRAP. Though given the way the military operates now at least it may make sense.
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02-04-2010, 07:27 AM | #12 |
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I cannot believe I am going to say this, but the military should have the first really useful hybrid powertrains. I mean if we can double or triple the mileage of our transports, it makes logistics much easier, and amount of fuel infrastructure could be vastly smaller, as could the support personnel. If there every was a good use for hybrids, it would be troop transport
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02-04-2010, 08:32 AM | #13 | |
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Scrappy that is soo effin true, but the fact that oil is everywhere here (i'm in afghanistan at the moment) it will never happen. I can't tell how awesome it would be to not have to strap 6 fuel cans to the outside of our MRAPs. That space I could use for mortar and Carl G rounds. ( But really I would take an uparmored Chevy Suburban with a V10 if the unit i'm in would stop being pussies and buy them.) Next let me say I smile when I read threads like this, you civilians really do care about us military folk, But then I cringe because most of you talk sideways out of your bums about things you have no idea about. The MRAP vs. HMMV, since i've been blown up in both I can tell you the MRAP IS A MUCH NEEDED IMPROVEMENT. Sure the HMMV is smaller a wee bit faster, more nimble (somewhat) and easier to get in and out of, but after fighting from a MRAP and being ka-blamed in one (IED) I can say that the pros out weigh the cons. Both vehicles are loud and are ****ty infil platforms but for that you just get out and walk a few klicks. This war has turned to one thing and that is IEDs, so it serves its purpose well. Plus Its not as easy to roll as you think. Yesterday no **** i had it tilted so that the guy in the passenger seat was pretty much laying on me and i could look out the driver door window and see the ground as i was driving through some pretty hairy terrain. And an M1 tank would get raped by an IED. And for the record an RPG is still one of the most formiddable weapons out there about the only thing that can stop it is reactive armor and some of that good ol chicken wire. Last edited by Fiddy82; 02-04-2010 at 08:47 AM. |
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02-04-2010, 08:49 AM | #14 |
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MRAP is under powered with the CAT C10 in it they should've used the C12 that is used in all the MTVR's. Newer model HMMWV's that posses the 6.5 turbo is definitly and improvement over the older 6.2's M998 models. My opinion ill take a MRAP any day.
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02-04-2010, 08:50 AM | #15 |
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Ha thats what they said about the UAV when it came along, then they realized you can't win a conflict from a swivel chair.......Well they still haven't actually realized that.
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02-04-2010, 08:53 AM | #16 |
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totally true, but its biggest mechanical downfall is the extra retarded drivetrain. What a load of fail
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02-04-2010, 10:30 AM | #17 |
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The Hummvee was freakishly large by itself though I guess it doesn't matter so much in open terrain. Is there anything smaller in the pipeline? I can't imagine the entire Army will only be in a position to function as minesweepers.
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02-04-2010, 11:24 AM | #18 |
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The hmmwv was never designed to be an up-armored vehicle (even in the early 2000's it was rare to see a slantback, let alone an armored unit). But the vehicle had to be adapted to the current situation.
It is great for use in a military setting (think jeep of previous engagements), but it is not good as a vehicle for handling explosives. The design of the truck allows an ied explosion to go up through the center of the hull or the flat bottom under the passenger seats takes the full blow. Because of this design AMG couldn't change the truck to have a V-bottom for the best protection. Also, the new up-armored turbo trucks weigh 8,000lbs+ over the original trucks. They are more than double the weight of my truck which has the same driveline (I have a lighter frame). My truck's 0-60 is in the 19 second range. There is also no room under these trucks to add battery packs, etc. These new vehicles are great (a much needed update), and it's sad to see the end of the HMMWV. However, it will continue to be produced for other countries, spare parts, and as of now $1M/year for the US government. The truck is currently in its 26th year of production (with a civilian run of 14 years) and will probably not wind down until it has passed the 30 year mark, if that. Nick |
02-04-2010, 11:28 AM | #19 | |
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They already have alternative vehicles, but the need for small nimble vehicles is probably diminished given air units.
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02-04-2010, 12:16 PM | #20 | |
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02-04-2010, 02:25 PM | #21 |
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Yea the drivetrain does blow, not to mention we've had alot of front shackles bend or even break due to off road excursions and even managed to bend an axle from time to time..LOL. When we first got'em our unit wanted to give'em a good shake down so we did I thought the Force Protection Tech rep was gonna poop himself...LOL
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02-04-2010, 07:09 PM | #23 |
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whatevr keeps our troops safer I am all for
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02-04-2010, 07:11 PM | #24 |
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Determination of HMVEE vs MRAP should depend on terrain. Patrollin through cities and on the back roads next to canals is much easier for HUMVEES. The MRAPS are amazing if you are only conducting convoy security. I have had the privlage of using both vehicles in a multitude of operations and I am simply not impressed. I roll over into a canal and you just lost an entire squad.
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All of the military trucks are AM General. AM General even bought the design for the engines when GM stopped production and moved to the duramax for their own products. When GM bought the Hummer brand they also bought a license to build the H1 since it uses the exact same chassis as the military version.
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