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02-11-2014, 12:21 PM | #551 | |
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I will take the motor apart this weekend if the weather is good, I hope at least one of the head is good.
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02-11-2014, 12:29 PM | #552 |
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I have heads from an 09 WRX in perfect condition. Let me know if you interested in those after you see how bad yours are damaged.
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02-11-2014, 12:41 PM | #553 | |
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Excellent post. Really nails the truth of taking a a platform like this to these power levels. --------- I think its amazing your stock rods to lasted as long as they did. I've got a few cars, including my own that have survived ~400-430 torque on stock rods for a decent amount of time now but its still playing with fire honestly. |
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02-11-2014, 12:48 PM | #554 | |
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02-11-2014, 12:51 PM | #555 |
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My stock rods on my 06 STi lasted 60k miles. 20k miles stage 2 (340 ft-lbs) and like 30k + miles with 20G, APS SR50, DOM 3 and T60R. When the rod snapped the carnage was bad. Hole in the block right where the EJ25 stamp is (i still have the suvenier) and one piston hit the head not enough to damaged it completely but i replaced them anyway. I hope you have better luck.
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02-11-2014, 02:22 PM | #556 |
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Wow just took the time to read this whole thread. Sorry to budge in and start throwing words but you really pushed the motor hard. Especially with stock 08+ STi rods. I made a mistake of buying someones mistakes. They sold me a fully built long block, and he was running the wrong dipstick So the motor starved itself, even though I checked the oil. It had a WRX dipstick, with an STi oil pan. It spun a bearing after only 10k miles. on EJ257 99.75mm Bore Disassembled, cleaned, decked and torque plate honed. Crankshaft polished and balanced to .5g Blueprinted and Reassembled with Calico Coated ACL Race Bearings Brand New 8.2:1 99.75mm Mahle Pistons and File Fitted Rings Manley Rods(H beam) Version 7 JDM big port heads PnP,radius valve and decked BC cams 280 New springs and retainers. it was pushing 466/401 @ 22psi on an T60R FMIC and all supporting mods.
Endless to say, my heads were re-useable, but my builder said they're not ideal. They cleaned them up, and re assembled. Im very nervous about that for the future. I got a new 2011 OEM block with drop in manley pistons (stock bore) and roughly 2600~ miles on it now. it still has its break in tune 361/314 @ 18psi I hope you have a better experience next time. |
02-11-2014, 06:03 PM | #557 | ||
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I'm of the mind to agree with Jeff here and have two motors or at least two short blocks to swap back and forth and improve each with the refresh that way the down time is minimized. Make it better and stronger Juan! You have a nice car super clean and you've put a ton of time in it. Keep it going and have fun! Buying into a more pricy platform like a GTR or a Porsche will just bring more expensive headaches down the road. They are still nice cars though Last edited by manitou; 02-11-2014 at 06:26 PM. |
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02-11-2014, 08:20 PM | #558 | |
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02-11-2014, 10:11 PM | #559 |
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If you think subys are expensive, wait till you break a GTR. And you know your going to mod it.
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02-11-2014, 10:35 PM | #560 |
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I 100% remember saying years ago when you were building a motor to overbuild it because you would outgrow the turbo setup. That was when you were on the GREEN!
Then came the Black. And now the 6466. The lesson to be learned in looking back is you have the bug, and its bad. You have moved from the fastest trapping VF to trying a max out an OG green, fight for spool with the Black, giving up instaspool and light weight stuffs for a front mount and a 6 speed, all within what time frame? A bolt on GTR will get old for you, there is no way around it. Crystal has the idea down for our platform, and while its not cheap and absolutely does not sound fun, but it is far more reasonable than breaking a GTR. Annual ownership costs cannot even come close in my mind. |
02-12-2014, 02:37 AM | #561 |
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But they are harder to break.... A 500whp GTR is basically stage 2 at this point. Maybe stage 1 (tune) with the newer models. That's pretty much unbreakable. You could have a car that you can drive cross country with, run several 10 sec quarter miles in, then drive it cross country back. Reliably. Day in and day out. You are hoping for an 11 sec Soobie to be reliable? Come on. Just buy the GTR. There truly is no comparison for speed/reliability/ and even price.
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02-12-2014, 07:52 AM | #562 |
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I agree with you completely.
Honestly anything over 500whp in a Subaru is a ticking time bomb. If you want a high HP car.....buy a high HP car. I believe I saw that the new corvette z06 with come with 600 plus HP. Go buy that and have a warranty to boot. I got away from the crazy numbers game and have been very happy with my 450whp. Its very fun and I don't have to hold my breath each time I do a pull hoping something doesn't break. That's my opinion Juan. Build it......go back to the green and let it be reliable....or buy something meant to have 600hp. |
02-12-2014, 09:02 AM | #563 | |
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02-12-2014, 09:54 AM | #564 |
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I spend a lot of time on the gtr forums and you can get a built short block with Manley pistons and rods, stock heads, + a 800 wtq drag transmission (aftermarket 1st gear and clutches) for 11k. That includes removal and installation, assembly, balancing, gaskets, reinstall and everything with a life time warranty on the transmission. I think that's an amazing deal.
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02-12-2014, 10:07 AM | #565 | |
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02-12-2014, 10:45 AM | #566 | |
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02-12-2014, 11:35 AM | #567 |
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Then add in the cost for the turbo kit, AP, tune, etc and your around the $25k mark plus the cost of the car at another $60+k used all said and done your almost at $100k if not more. I'd be rocking a lambo by that time.
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02-12-2014, 12:42 PM | #568 | |
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A GTR is still the cheapest reliable way to run 10's. It all depends on what you want, but a reliable hp car is going to cost you no matter how you look at it. Reliability, I have found anyway, is truly the best from an oem and light modding (exhaust, tune, maybe E85 if you want to log a lot). Yes, a Alpha 12 GTR is great and all, but I don't ever see the need to run 8's in a street car (maybe I'm getting old). The ability to use that power on the street is non existent and almost impossible to use it even on a race track. And I can't get this to do what I want, but here's the link to Car and Driver testing the Alpha 12 (which they did break). But, that's my 2 cents, Juan is certainly free to do what he wants. I love high hp Soobies too, just glad I'm not the one dealing with all the headaches anymore. |
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02-12-2014, 01:17 PM | #570 |
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GTR's are nice cars I can't argue that at all. They are also in another class of cars and 3-4 times the cost of a comparable Subaru new or used same year comparo.
Maybe if you owned a GTR you would not be as quick to mod it as a Subaru but maybe you would. I think when the mod bug bites that's it and the GTR will be 4 or 5 times more money to mod and maintain compared to a Subaru. Just ask Junior about that. On the other hand my buddy Alex has a 2014 GTR Premium an on his second run after letting it cool of he ran a low 10.9, bone stock. His built 2006 STI is still faster than his GTR and he has less money into it than the GTR. |
02-12-2014, 01:43 PM | #571 | |
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I'm pretty happy with where I'm at with my car, I'll make just minor mods/ tweaks to it now but pretty much leave it as is. I've got 19K on the built motor and it's running pretty well. It makes good power and is very snappy on the street in quickness and response. I could see me going FMIC here soon and I will make some plans to build a second short block and possibly another set of heads to swap in when the time comes. |
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02-12-2014, 06:06 PM | #572 |
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Good GTR video talking about reliability and streetability |
02-12-2014, 10:25 PM | #573 |
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Since we're on the different platform subject... my c6 z06 laid down 500whp with only headers, intake, and a tune. Stupid cheap to tune and modify. A lot more bang for the buck vs a GTR. I love GTR's but if you want mean power... its a nice alternative.
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02-13-2014, 12:37 AM | #574 |
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Pick a platform you love and go to town.
If it ever gets boring or starts to seem "too expensive" (remember it was never to expensive in the beginning), its probably time to try a different platform. |
02-13-2014, 05:30 AM | #575 |
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My 2003 Cobra has been laying down 600whp and 600ft/lb since 2004. But I have a different forum for that. Ps- that's with just Ford parts also.
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