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Old 05-06-2009, 10:56 AM   #1
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Question Win7, 09/10 games, Hardware advances: When to build?

I know everything will become obsolete, and quickly... but that does not mean there aren't good times to build up new pc's. The start of dual cores was a big time for me, as well as getting the first stable boards with PCI-E on them. Dual channel memory was a big plateau as well as SATA drives, etc. I tend to time my upgrades very well, and I end up with a very robust computer that has all good options for sensible later upgrades (ram, faster HDDs, GPU's if neccessary)

Needless to say, there are big things coming in the computing and PC gaming world.

Most notably will be the release of windows 7. All signs so far point to me wanting to directly leap XP to 7 near the start.

Second will be some big name titles. For me its Jumpgate Evo and possibly some starcraft action. Games in general have become close to nonexistant for me these days, but since this will most likely be my last hardware build for a long long time, I'd like to do it at the right time.

The only factors I am not aware of is upcoming hardware. This refers to new Cpu's and socket types, new Chipsets and processing strategies, as well as new bus speeds and possibly adding USB 3.0

So, hopefully there are people in the loop that are paying attention to computer tech, and can drop some knowledge about the next year-ish in expected hardware changes/improvements. What can we expect, and what current mainstream hardware constants will become totally obsolete (think AGP obsolete, not just a new socket for a processor) and also, when the major retail releases of Win7 are thought to reach shelves. I know the RC is out apparently, but whats the typical time between that and a retail product?
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:00 AM   #2
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since this will most likely be my last hardware build for a long long time, I'd like to do it at the right time.
That's where your plan goes pear shaped. There's never a right time -- there'll always be bigger, faster, cheaper parts available the day after you complete your build. Accept that fact.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:01 AM   #3
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socket AM3 or LGA 1366 that's pretty much the only choice you need to make.

I have a personal vendetta against intel and their business practices but you can go any way you like.

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Old 05-06-2009, 11:05 AM   #4
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That's where your plan goes pear shaped. There's never a right time -- there'll always be bigger, faster, cheaper parts available the day after you complete your build. Accept that fact.

Oh i know this better than anyone, I've stripped out the same case for difference barebones parts probably 5 times at least in the past 7-8 years. What I am trying to avoid is buying a solid setup when a major major platform change is 1 month away. AGP -> PciE is the best example I can give of that. I honestly don't know the status of memory communication technology, or if there will be new transfer methods for DD's beyond Sata for a while. I haven't browsed around Tom's or Anandtech in a while to have really any idea of where computers are currently, much less what changes are expected in the next 2 years
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:12 AM   #5
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pc gaming is just too expensive these days... I prefer them to console games for sure but i just cant afford it. Sadly, COD6 will be on my PS3
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:16 AM   #6
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For a long term system:
Minimum = 8GB Ram, 64-bit OS, and Quad-core.

Tiger Direct has a very attractive Core i7 barebones system for $1050:
ASUS P6T Intel X58 Barebone Kit - Socket LGA1366, Intel Core i7 920, 12GB Corsair DDR3-1600, 1.5TB SATA2, Clear Side ATX Mid-Tower, Corsair TX750W 750-Watt Power Supply
Link: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...9&Sku=B69-1054


Link Qcanfixit, I also have a personal vendetta against Intel.


If you like AMD:

Either go with the AMD Phenom II 940 (AM2+, DDR2, 3.0 GHz Quad core), or the AMD Phenom II 955 (AM3, DDR3, 3.2 GHz).

Combo special: AMD Phenom II 940 w/ 790GX motherboard for $229:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.186959
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:19 AM   #7
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Your socket choices to AMD AM3, Intel LGA1366, or the upcoming Intel LGA1155/1156 which will be used for the Core i5.

The only current chipset for LGA1366 is the Intel X58, so your choice is already made in that department. The Core i5 will likely launch using the P55. With the current bicker war going between NVIDIA and Intel, I wouldn't hold out for an NVIDIA chipset. AM3 still offers you the option of a couple AMD chipset and a few NVIDIA ones as well.

Whatever board you buy, make sure it's got a couple PCI-E slots, even if you're not going to run SLI. Indications have shown that SATA can't keep with with the massive read/write cycles provided by new SSD drives. SSD manufacturers are beginning to turn to the PCI-E bus instead, though as of right now, you can't boot from a PCI-E drive. Who knows if that will change.

I wouldn't expect USB 3.0 to show up on computers until at least 2010 and I doubt consumer products are going to go mainstream with USB 3.0 for at least another year.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:26 AM   #8
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either of you care to elaborate on your Intel vendettas?
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:26 AM   #9
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The sata and SSD read/write cycles is a great bit of information to know. I had always thought the sata throughput was enough to last a while, but had not considered the SSD angle.

Have SSD shown to be a somewhat cost effective new storage solution. I would be look first at optimal loading times. I will never require more than 100-200 gb of storage on my OS drive.

I also had a long term dislike for Intel... but at the time I was building my current PC I didn't like any of the CPU offerings and dual cores were ridiculously fast for cheap
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:27 AM   #10
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Budget beast:



~$879 after mail in rebates.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:28 AM   #11
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either of you care to elaborate on your Intel vendettas?
I like to support the underdog.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:32 AM   #12
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Also I'd like to specify that I have no real need to build this until Win7 comes to a stable position. I realize that Win7's hardware requirements probably won't require something state of the art, but I don't like to go into new OS's with old hardware. Doesn't feel right!
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:38 AM   #13
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I'm in the same boat. Probably will wait until late this year/early next to source my next build.

Looking at:
Intel Core i7
Windows 7
Bluray drive
8Gb+ ram
SATA (or maybe PCIe for hyperspeed goodness) SSD boot drive
NAS RAID storage
+ whichever graphics card is flavor du jour
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:41 AM   #14
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I'm in the same boat. Probably will wait until late this year/early next to source my next build.

Looking at:
Intel Core i7
Windows 7
Bluray drive
8Gb+ ram
SATA (or maybe PCIe for hyperspeed goodness) SSD boot drive
NAS RAID storage
+ whichever graphics card is flavor du jour
Core i7 + 12GB ram = full of win!!!!
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:46 AM   #15
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Depends on how long you intend to keep it. If I buy a desktop this year its going to be dual core, since I can get a proc and motherboard for much cheaper.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:51 AM   #16
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Budget beast:



~$879 after mail in rebates.
get a motherboard that doesn't suck or you'll regret it.

<- won't ever buy another motherboard that doesn't have a 2-digit diagnostic readout.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:58 AM   #17
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Many Intel CPUs will not be able to support XP mode in Windows 7:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...ps-xp-mode-win
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June seems to be a good time for things.

I still run AGP.
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Old 05-13-2009, 09:47 AM   #19
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to all those Intel haters.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15124

Intel fined.... 1.45 BILLION dollars

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The European Commission can levy fines as high as 10% of the company's total revenue. With sales of $37.6 billion in 2008, the fine could have reached nearly $4 billion.
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:45 AM   #20
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I like to support the underdog.
So you're rockin a Via cpu in your beast, eh?
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