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07-10-2013, 02:14 AM | #26 | |
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Here are some twin-scroll TD06SL2 20g results. I think the second chart had the torque in NM instead of lbs ft.
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07-10-2013, 11:09 AM | #27 |
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Ok, I'll oust some discussion here.
From what I have seen from reading through this entire thread, no chart posted has even come close to pulling off what the very first dyno chart from Ulimited showed... 390 tq and 270hp at 3700 rpm!?!? that is absolute madness. Post #24 confuses me a bit because it seems to be the same turbo with the same wheel upgrades (billet, and STS-9), yet the dyno is shifted wayyyy to the right. Is this because of the 2.0L v 2.5L? OEM headers on the 2.0L? Just looking for a bit of clarification and interpretation of the results. ALSO, *Ulimited*, did you ever re-tune that beast on E-85? I'd love to see a chart. I'm going to do some research into these turbos now, your original dyno plot looks like what I am looking for for my SM build :P |
07-11-2013, 11:48 AM | #28 |
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Tell me more about these twin scroll headers they have? I'm leery of a $500 header with a slip joint connector and 12ga tubing, thats nearing my cost of materials for such a header.
But that dyno of that huge td06-20g, makes my current peak torque at the same rpm that I do. Which is absolutely bonkers. And makes me want a similar setup that wont instantly bustificate my 5speed. But it looks like you'd need to call and order to get a kamak turbo with a TS housing. |
07-11-2013, 12:42 PM | #29 |
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I'm setting up dyno time for some time next week for the e85, I hit a snag so my timing got thrown off. I'm having a custom exhaust/turndown made to keep all the exhaust gasses exiting right behind the driver's seat as per SM rules.
I'll be redoing the pump gas tune as well since in need to plumb the EWG back into the downpipe, I'm interested to see how much of the powerless I can mitigate by having the EWG plumbed back into the downpipe very far downstream right before a small vibrant muffler to turndown instead of a full cat back. As for the difference in my results from post 24 I'd say there are a number of factors. 2.0 vs 2.5, I run a 7cm housing theirs was not listed but may be larger, they are running an internal gate while I am external, they list a KN panel filter while I have a KS 73mm and perrin inlet. Also theirs is the KAKAMK version while I have the Kinugawa, I think they have an upgraded journal bearing compared to mine, not sure of all the differences maybe Steam Speed can chime in there. And the biggest factor of all would be the tool used to get the results I was on one of Cobbs old mustang Dyno that they sold to Dave Brown at Performance Auto Solutions while post 24 looks to be using some kind of virtual dyno that is measured at the flywheel. The event I used the car at with the gate exiting to atmosphere was pretty funny, everyone kept approaching me to ask if the car was ok, I got all sorts of peoples takes on the sound from weapons grade ballistics to a starwars pod racer haha Once I get the new set of results I'll be sure to post up, hoping sometime next week. I need to go bigger on the injectors and potentially bigger intake or Speed density conversion. On pump the air and fuel was just about maxed out, this turbo flows very well at wastgate pressure it was spooling at 3k ***61514; |
07-11-2013, 03:07 PM | #30 |
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I lost quite a bit of power when I replumbed into the downpipe. I'm curious to see your results.
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07-11-2013, 03:51 PM | #31 |
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This is why I modified my Kinugawa ELH to EWG 38mm and SuperTrapp it. No idea about performance, not yet installed.
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07-11-2013, 04:41 PM | #32 | |
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Section 3.3.3.B.15: "Exhaust must exit behind driver or to the side of the car." Section 16.1.D (SM): "Drivetrain and related components are unrestricted." The "behind the driver's seat" thing you are thinking of is an SP rule (section 15.10.I). SM doesn't adopt this rule from SP because 16.1.D overwrites it. So, you could have them fab up a sweet side exit system if you wanted... granted, it would be harder to meet sound by not pointing it downward. Just wanted to let you know you've got options! I'm probably going to look into a side exit exhaust for my SM car next year if my front/lower mount turbo project comes together Last edited by visibiliti; 07-11-2013 at 04:46 PM. |
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07-11-2013, 04:44 PM | #33 | |
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07-11-2013, 04:50 PM | #34 |
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where did I say in engine bay dump?? lol. I said side exit! Am I misinterpretting ?
3.3.3.B.15 *is* the safety section.. so how could they ding you? |
07-11-2013, 05:52 PM | #35 |
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^ Good point, I'm much better at driving than interpreting the rule book
Still I'm not sure the 16.1.D would supersede the 3.3.3.B.15 rule would it? I do still street the car occasionally and wanted to have a capability for a full exhaust, I have a vband flange right at the end of the down pipe so when I get to events I can just clamp on the turndown while I'm changing my tires. And yes also not meeting db requirements was a concern, with the open gate and a 7cm housing it was pretty ridiculous since its nearly always open. I see people having success with the super traps but didn't want to go that route, also my tuner recommended I not. I'll get some pics up soon of what Ive got going on. |
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07-11-2013, 06:02 PM | #37 |
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Ok well since this is a turbo thread in PPB, ill quit talking about rules and we can bump the SM autox thread if we wanna talk there.
Anyways, good point about the 7cm and being open a lot. I am curious- having the setup you have, would you ever consider switching to the td06 with a 20 or 25g comp housing? Gabe has mentioned in another kamak thread that he likes his dyno chart pushed left like yours is but is workin on a td06 25g hybrid... I'm just surprised because your chart that you posted on the td05 seems tits McGee. Overall impressions of your setup when you are out racing? Thanks! |
07-11-2013, 07:31 PM | #38 | |
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07-24-2013, 10:56 PM | #39 |
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07-25-2013, 09:21 AM | #40 |
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^just so you know the Tomei ELH is also made by Kinugawa just rebranded Tomei.
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07-25-2013, 01:57 PM | #41 |
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^ that is something new I learned I had no idea. I have them and I must say I love the tq gains
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08-04-2013, 03:21 PM | #42 |
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Yup gt spec mad dad and a few others make the same exact design. So when you see tomei going for 900 and a kinugawa for 450, just remember your only paying for the name. I went with kinugawa and never looked back.
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08-04-2013, 05:33 PM | #43 |
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^+1 I also went kinugawa!!!
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The SSI (Kinugawa, etc) has welded together sections while the tomei is formed. The SSI design has a greater chance of cracking at those joints. SSI: (Kinugawa, GTspec, Maddad, etc) Tomei: Last edited by Fierysun; 08-04-2013 at 08:02 PM. |
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Good detective work
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08-04-2013, 11:07 PM | #46 |
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As stated Tomei is made in the same factory as others, we are not mistaken, the welding is a marketing and differentiator ploy not worth $450 more and look at the Tomei flanges what does it say? SSI...
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08-04-2013, 11:46 PM | #47 |
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Nope you are still mistaken and you need to stop spreading misinformation. The flanges on the Tomeis does not say ssi, but the O logo for Tomei. I have both sets of headers and have compared them thoroughly. They are not the same header. The ssi with the 3 tubes joined with welds at the same point is the weaker of the two header design. Also, I paid 599 for a brand new set of Tomei ELH from a vendor on this forum, so your price difference example is wrong as well.
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08-05-2013, 02:23 AM | #48 |
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Good eye. Never noticed the different welds. Anyways, I think it's safe to say all the headers are very similar. I am happy with the kinugawa still, has not cracked or leaked. I like to save money wherever I can without sacrificing performance, but that's just me.
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08-05-2013, 12:31 PM | #49 | |
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...20&postcount=7 Again the wrap and additional welds is a differentiator, all of them are made at the same facility in Taiwan, my bad flanges do say O instead of SSI, again another differentiator for what essentially is the same header. I work for a turbo supplier so I know a thing or two of who makes what. |
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08-05-2013, 12:35 PM | #50 |
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But ok back to these turbo. I want to see more results of the kinuguwa twin scroll headers.
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