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10-07-2012, 02:54 PM | #1176 | |
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Many have an opinion that the vehicle is inadequate for high altitude and I provided opinion that the vehicle would be adequate at altitude. In addition, I don't discount anyone's opinion just because they don't live at altitude. This is good information for all if people have questions on whether to purchase or not.
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10-07-2012, 02:56 PM | #1177 |
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Last Resort - Funny you should say that as my '12 Challenger just got wrecked two weeks ago (by a stop sign runner) and I ordered a Crosstrek yesterday.
I test drove the 5 speed and hated it, thought it was a slug and left the dealership and continued testing other new cars. I just wasn't prepared to go over $30k again, took an ugly $$ hit on the Challenger because it was 9 months old with 24k on the clock, so had to keep the cost of the new car down. I tested everything I could and came to the conclusion that unless I wanted to take a hit on the mpg's or bring the cost to an unsustainable level a lower HP car was in my future. I went back to the Subie dealer and drove the Limited with the CVT and realized that being able to grab and hold a gear made the lower hp and torque numbers bearable. Don't get me wrong, I'm going to miss having 300+hp underfoot but hopefully all the things that the Crosstrek can do (like going mt biking or skiing with racks on the roof or hitch) will help me get over it. 30+mpg won't hurt either... |
10-07-2012, 06:21 PM | #1178 |
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Anyone know if the xv has more headroom? I test drove both the impreza and xv and in crosstreck not only did I sit higher but it seemed to have more headroom. The dealer didn't know.
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10-07-2012, 06:57 PM | #1179 | |
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http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/xv-cr...cle-specs.html http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/impre...cle-specs.html |
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10-07-2012, 07:41 PM | #1180 |
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10-07-2012, 08:42 PM | #1181 |
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10-07-2012, 10:03 PM | #1182 |
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Did the Impreza you drove have a sunroof? They're the exact same car.. one has a body lift, lower final gearing and some plastic fender extenders.
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10-08-2012, 09:42 AM | #1183 | |
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Horsepower is horsepower. It's the transmission's job to multiply flywheel torque into driveshaft torque. Thus my comments about winding the engine out. Those diesels you reference have much taller gearing than an equivalent gasoline car. Don't get me wrong, I love the diesel power band for daily driving, but gasoline engines have their merits too, not least among them reliability and cost. Performance at elevation has much more to do with forced induction than raw horsepower. And, yes, I do play a great deal at elevation. In fact we used a 2010 Outback 2.5 CVT for a ski trip a couple of years ago. Four people + gear inside, roof box on top. It was fine, same power:weight as a Crosstrek. |
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10-08-2012, 10:46 AM | #1184 | |
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Also as weight is added into the car, the power:weight ratio of the XV gets worse much faster than the ratio of the Outback. Last edited by ocellaris; 10-08-2012 at 10:53 AM. |
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10-08-2012, 11:49 AM | #1185 |
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This is pointless to argue over guys! Some people feel it's adequately powered others that it isn't. Let's agree to disagree and move on.
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10-08-2012, 11:55 AM | #1186 | |
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10-08-2012, 12:07 PM | #1187 | |
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10-08-2012, 12:10 PM | #1188 |
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10-09-2012, 12:19 AM | #1189 | |
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10-09-2012, 12:44 AM | #1190 |
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7 percent worse than the slow base Outback 2.5i that nobody expects to be a speed demon, either.
So, basically slower than slow. |
10-09-2012, 08:13 AM | #1191 |
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The outback 2.5 is 7% faster. So? What is your point? Who (other than you) cares? Stop complaining and let people buy what they want to buy instead of pontificating about what you don't like.
I'm willing to bet you can't refrain from complaining about the XV/Crosstek, in any way, shape, or form until we see the sales numbers for Oct. and let the numbers speak. People want this car. Let them buy it. Stop treating it as an affront to your way of life. --kC (P.s. I'll be in Iowa this weekend. I'm going to aim at every GRP legacy I see. Shouldn't be many, and I'll have rental car insurance.) |
10-09-2012, 08:36 AM | #1192 |
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I test drove a XV on Saturday and I'll admit I liked the improvements over my wife's 2012 Imp. It handled better than I expected and rides a lot quietier.
With that said I still wish it had a little more grunt but it is in the running to replace my 09 WRX. On another note how do I block someone? I've been on here for 10 years and have never done it. I can't handle HTBS's BS anymore. |
10-09-2012, 08:41 AM | #1193 |
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10-09-2012, 08:47 AM | #1194 |
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Thanks KC.
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10-09-2012, 08:57 AM | #1195 |
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10-09-2012, 10:00 AM | #1196 |
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Sometimes a problem just can't be ignored.
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10-09-2012, 12:01 PM | #1197 |
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Which is why I don't even bother with the Ignore List. I tried it for about a week and got tired of "you can't read this because they're on your ignore list". I wish it wouldn't even show that they posted and would just leave gaps in numbers. Oh well. That person's not even around anymore, so I guess I won.
On-Topic: I don't believe any of the Crosstreks coming in have the rear spoiler option installed. They just don't look right without them. However, I've seen pics of the rear spoiler bumping skis mounted on the racks, so I can see why it would be an option. Has the Forester ever had this issue with its rear spoiler bumping roof-mounted items? It just seems like a silly problem. |
10-09-2012, 12:33 PM | #1198 |
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The one I saw at my dealer had it installed.
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10-09-2012, 12:35 PM | #1199 | |
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10-09-2012, 12:55 PM | #1200 | |
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All I was doing was giving context that the car that XV was being compared to was no speed demon, either... so it is slower than a car that is already slow, and not expected to be fast. XV is not 7% disadvantaged on power to weight than the fastest Subaru Outback, let alone the fastest Subaru overall... it is 7% disadvantaged to the SLOWEST Outback model Subaru offers. And ANY Subaru enthusiast who wants a Subaru that performs well should be disappointed with the milquetoast that Subaru is becoming in their whole lineup aside from the aged WRX/STI, and the non-AWD, also not very quick BRZ, merely acceptably quick to some who choose to accept a 7+ second 0-60 capability, and it's implications for evasive driving in the real world. I have a low-power, high-handling-capability car in my garage. I know how badly it can handle highway maneuvers in avoidance of other idiot drivers at high speeds. My Legacy can evade moron drivers who have 'aimed at me', or not been paying attention, much better than my Miata can, because the Legacy can MOVE. Lateral handling at 60+mph on a narrow roadway can only move you side to side on that narrow strip of pavement. Power can get you much more distance along the road's length, and right when you need to create that distance. Grip allows use of that power. XV doesn't even have the light weight, high-handling-level excuse... and still has barely more horsepower than my '99 Miata, and XV weighs almost 600lbs more with just 4 more horses than a car with an iron block engine from the 1980s. 148 horsepower is ridiculous for a 3000lb+ vehicle with any motive to be construed as "sporty" in either an outdoors or motorsports context. That is an 'economy car' figure, at best. Everybody interested in automotive performance should be wanting more performance from Subaru's current lineup, and not making them think that any and every decision they make is infallible, because it isn't. And making threats is beneath you, and against forum rules. Last edited by HipToBeSquare; 10-09-2012 at 01:12 PM. |
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