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02-17-2013, 04:38 PM | #51 | |
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And you said put a similar engine in the BRZ. So, when it is $65K, are you going to buy it because it got the "more HP" you wanted?
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02-17-2013, 06:21 PM | #52 | |
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If there are people that will not buy the car due to the lack of power, then it wouldn't be selling in the numbers it is, right? But that's not the case. If the car needs more power, why did they have to increase production? Case is, they don't. The people have spoken. The sales have spoken. The numbers have come in. The power is more than adequate for what the car is. Those that decry not having enough power, again, do not understand, at all, what this car is about. And that's OK... because they don't miss you not buying the car... they have MORE THAN the buyers they need, already. This car does not NEED more power. --kC p.s. Ignorant is not a put down. It means "Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular" Blissfully unaware: you just didn't know. If I wanted to belittle you, I would have called you stupid or dumb or a host of other words. So since you took it as an attack, you clearly have issues that you need to resolve. Last edited by KC; 02-17-2013 at 06:27 PM. |
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02-17-2013, 08:27 PM | #53 |
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I'd probably do what all the potential Evora buyers are doing now and get a Cayman with a better engine for less money. That's another aspect of the "more power" argument people seem to forget, more power would cost more money. Or they could cheap out in other areas and we'd end up with a Mustang.
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02-17-2013, 09:19 PM | #54 |
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02-17-2013, 09:46 PM | #55 |
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02-17-2013, 10:02 PM | #56 |
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02-17-2013, 10:45 PM | #58 |
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KC, im sure it doesnt need more power. I was considering buying one but they were not readily available yet.
My point is that for $28k 200 hp / 25 ish mpg is poor compared to many other cars. I dont understand why they would do that to a " performance " vehicle. |
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I easily average combined 30mpg on my BRZ limited 6MT. With the BRZ now eligible for VIP you can easily knock off ~1.5k off the price. Have you had extended seat time in a brz or frs?
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02-17-2013, 11:49 PM | #60 | |
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02-18-2013, 02:12 AM | #62 |
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I've never seen the need for a convertible car, but I know that is just my opinion and not the prevailing one. However, both arguments for a higher power version and a convertible version are asinine - this car is selling well enough that they don't need either version.
If I were to put my money on an improvement path that embodied the original concept and the design philosophy, more power and open top are probably the last place I would look. Lower the weight, improve suspension, lower COG would fit the DNA much better. Arguments beyond those ideals are just attempts at justifying your own wants. If they build a convertible, great. It's a departure from the central concept but it will probably sell well. It just seems to smell a little like a boardroom decision instead of an enthusiast one. Yes, I know the car may have been engineered to be a convertible to begin with, but I still suspect the fixed roof was chosen because it didn't compromise as much as a convertible. |
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COG is one of those things you can measure but not qualify. Drive feel is a subjective measure and can be influenced by COG, steering feel, suspension, tires, and various other factors. For the BRZ, it's a combination of all of these things that have been combined to get some really good reviews in several magazines. It's easy to write off one of those variables as "Arbitrary" when it suits an argument but I contend that COG might actually be the secret ingredient rather than the inconsequential one.
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You are missing a point on your triangle, price.
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Pink triangles. hkerekes wants a fabulous miata.
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02-18-2013, 09:56 AM | #71 | ||
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And I wouldn't want you to think you were crazy. A V-6 would be cool in it. Gotta be realistic though for this "production car". Quote:
If they designed the car to also be a convertable, I would consider that to be part of the "central concept". You said it also. None of these things are "needed". They are wants by the customers. The only thing anyone would "need" is a car with 4 wheels that will get them to their destination. Anything else is a want. |
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Subaru needs to push further in the southern states. A convertible is exactly what is needed to achieve that. Anybody claiming that a "sports car" should not be a convertible clearly has no idea what a sports car is.
MG's, Alfa's, Fiats, BMW Z3 /Z4, Miata, Corvettes (before they became GT cars) were all convertible or roadsters with a hard top released at some point to appease the masses. |
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I think i might like the car as a convertible, but there are better convertible options out.
I'm not sure what separates this from a Miata? |
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A back seat.. more neutral handling.. more power.. and likely a higher price.
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02-18-2013, 02:24 PM | #75 | |
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While the back seat isn't very usable, it does have a back seat, which even with the convertible will give it a lot more space than the Miata. Other than that, the suspension is a little stiffer than a Miata stock, power/weight isn't much different. Once you option a Miata with LSD and all the other crap the BRZ has in the base model the price isn't all that much different. |
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