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Old 06-16-2013, 10:14 AM   #151
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because it's an unnecessary trip to the dealership

napa gold filter or wix filter for me
I guess, Fred beans sells six filters and washers for a very reasonable shipped price. No trip to the dealer. That's good enough for me. My car is worth the difference in cost to me, whether it is actually better or not. One less thing for a dealer to blame for a malfunction.
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Old 06-16-2013, 10:15 AM   #152
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About the 3750 or 7500 mile question. For my personal comfort level I'm happy with 3750, but I'm wondering why my dealer, (who I would guess would want more money from me, not less) would recommend 7500? (not saying that I'll go to him other than for the first free 2 years). And here in Phoenix it is over 100 EVERY day in the summer and over 110 on about 25 days.

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Old 06-16-2013, 11:07 AM   #153
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I haven't got under car yet. If i use ramps to drive up on will that incline be okay for changing/draining oil? Or should this be done on level ground?
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Old 06-16-2013, 11:15 AM   #154
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I haven't got under car yet. If i use ramps to drive up on will that incline be okay for changing/draining oil? Or should this be done on level ground?
Car ramps are sufficient for oil changes. Make sure you use ramps rated for your vehicle and follow the directions.
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Old 06-16-2013, 11:16 AM   #155
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Your arguing semantics. A difference so minuscule that it doesn't even matter. If you want something thicker, you need a different viscosity.
Not true. A Resource Conserving oil is made for fuel economy and is nearly designed to shear to a 20 grade. OTOH, a 5W-30 or 0W-30 that meets Euro ACEA A3 specs has a kinematic and High Temp High Shear viscosity in the upper range of a 30 weight and is designed to stay in grade to meet Euro requirements.

As mentioned above, Pennzoil Ultra 5W-30 has been showing good uoa results. Although, I haven't seen more than one or two random uoa's with the exception of one person at bitog running it in a stock WRX that sees mainly highway miles (very easy on oil). It has amazingly low NOACK volatility (evaporation), but it is still a Resource Conserving oil.

Here's a list of synthetics tested by the PQIA (consumer watchdog group). Notice the low NOACK on all Shell oils.

http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013P...sallfinal.html

Generally, an oil with a higher HTHS will be the most stable (although PU 5W-30 appears to stay in grade very well). Resource Conserving oils cannot have an HTHS of higher than 3.4. You have to look up the manufacturer product data sheets to find HTHS. Personally, I wouldn't stress out about thinking that you MUST run API SN and ILSAC GF5. After all, the manual allows "5W-40 conventional" for replenishment and there is no such thing!

Here's a thread on shear stable 5W-30's.

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Old 06-16-2013, 12:20 PM   #156
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Warranty issues aside (I already have stage 1), I'm thinking about using either one of these oils next:

Redline 5w-30

Mobil 1 0w-40



Any opinions on these two?
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Old 06-16-2013, 01:35 PM   #157
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Warranty issues aside (I already have stage 1), I'm thinking about using either one of these oils next:

Redline 5w-30

Mobil 1 0w-40

Any opinions on these two?
Both are very good. For the price (when it's on sale), it's hard to beat Mobil1 0w-40. OTOH, I love running Red Line with its high additive pack and boat loads of moly. The RL will probably feel better and quicker revving. Molybdenum and the ester base stocks in RL really cling to the inside of the engine. The HTHS between the two is very close so oil pressure would probably be the same.


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Old 06-16-2013, 01:40 PM   #158
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Both are very good. For the price (when it's on sale), it's hard to beat Mobil1 0w-40. OTOH, I love running Red Line with its high additive pack and boat loads of moly. The RL will probably feel better and quicker revving. Molybdenum and the ester base stocks in RL really cling to the inside of the engine. The HTHS between the two is very close so oil pressure would probably be the same.

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With the red line, I read something on bitog about it having some additives that can cause premature wear and sludge in the long run. Let me see if I can find the link.
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Old 06-16-2013, 02:13 PM   #159
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Warranty issues aside (I already have stage 1), I'm thinking about using either one of these oils next:

Redline 5w-30

Mobil 1 0w-40

Any opinions on these two?
Like bluesubie, I'm a fan of the Redline for the reasons he stated above. Its ester based, and has a great additive pack with tons of moly.

The downside to Redline is cost ... Its about 11 bucks a qt or so. But considerng oil is the lifeblood of an engine, I don't choose oil simply based on price.
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Old 06-16-2013, 02:19 PM   #160
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Like bluesubie, I'm a fan of the Redline for the reasons he stated above. Its ester based, and has a great additive pack with tons of moly.

The downside to Redline is cost ... Its about 11 bucks a qt or so. But considerng oil is the lifeblood of an engine, I don't choose oil simply based on price.
I'll go ahead and try it. Amazon has a 12qt pack for $130. Ouch.
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Old 06-16-2013, 06:41 PM   #161
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Mobil 1 0w-40 has a "European car formula". Is that the one we get?
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Old 06-17-2013, 06:00 PM   #162
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Mobil 1 0w-40 has a "European car formula". Is that the one we get?
Yep. And I haven't heard about the problems with RL that you mention above.

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Old 06-17-2013, 07:08 PM   #163
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For all those who are still confused about the oil change interval. I got this answer in April 2013

"Dear pkluong:

Thank you for taking the time to contact Subaru of America, Inc. Congratulations on the purchase of your 2013 WRX.

For Subaru of America, Inc.'s maintenance recommendations for your 2013 WRX, please review the maintenance schedule on page 33 in the "Warranty and Maintenance" booklet. We are aware that the maintenance schedule on MySubaru sites for 2013 WRX models show 3,750 mile intervals. This has been brought to the attention of our Marketing Department.

We recommend maintenance services every 7,500 miles or 7.5 months, whichever comes first. Your dealer may recommend 3,750 mile intervals. If so, for all of the dealer maintenance recommendations in between ours, such as the 3,750 and 11,250 mile services, your dealer is always and only recommending an oil change. We recommend that you at least follow our minimum recommendations to keep all warranties intact and your vehicle in good operating condition.

Thank you, Phil, for the opportunity to be of service.

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Old 06-18-2013, 03:28 AM   #164
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I guess, Fred beans sells six filters and washers for a very reasonable shipped price. No trip to the dealer. That's good enough for me. My car is worth the difference in cost to me, whether it is actually better or not. One less thing for a dealer to blame for a malfunction.
there are plenty of filters that are constructed to the same or better quality as the subaru filter.

napa gold
purolator
wix

all good choices; when i drove my wrx i lived 40 minutes from the closest dealer, autozone was 10 minutes away
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Old 06-18-2013, 04:09 AM   #165
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For all those who are still confused about the oil change interval. I got this answer in April 2013

"Dear pkluong:

Thank you for taking the time to contact Subaru of America, Inc. Congratulations on the purchase of your 2013 WRX.

For Subaru of America, Inc.'s maintenance recommendations for your 2013 WRX, please review the maintenance schedule on page 33 in the "Warranty and Maintenance" booklet. We are aware that the maintenance schedule on MySubaru sites for 2013 WRX models show 3,750 mile intervals. This has been brought to the attention of our Marketing Department.

We recommend maintenance services every 7,500 miles or 7.5 months, whichever comes first. Your dealer may recommend 3,750 mile intervals. If so, for all of the dealer maintenance recommendations in between ours, such as the 3,750 and 11,250 mile services, your dealer is always and only recommending an oil change. We recommend that you at least follow our minimum recommendations to keep all warranties intact and your vehicle in good operating condition.

Thank you, Phil, for the opportunity to be of service.

Sincerely,

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Service Request #1-3908508305"
Thanks for posting pkluong. IMO, based on some UOA's I've seen regarding the Subaru oem oil, I WOULD NOT run it up to the recommended 7500 OCI. Even on warranty I wouldn't do it, it has very low shear stability.

Rotella T6 on the other hand....
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Old 06-18-2013, 05:24 PM   #166
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Thoughts on Mobil 1 0w-40?

I know people here seem to hate Mobil 5w-30, but haven't seen too much on 0w-40
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Thoughts on Mobil 1 0w-40?

I know people here seem to hate Mobil 5w-30, but haven't seen too much on 0w-40
Look for my uoa's in Service & Maintenance.

Mobil 1 0W-40 meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API SN, SM, SL, SJ
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
Nissan GT-R

Mobil 1 0W-40 has the following builder approvals:
MB-Approval 229.3
MB-Approval 229.5
BMW LONGLIFE OIL 01
VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40

VOA:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2365762

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Old 06-19-2013, 03:34 PM   #168
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Look for my uoa's in Service & Maintenance.

Mobil 1 0W-40 meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API SN, SM, SL, SJ
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
Nissan GT-R

Mobil 1 0W-40 has the following builder approvals:
MB-Approval 229.3
MB-Approval 229.5
BMW LONGLIFE OIL 01
VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40

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http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2365762

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Just picked some up. What car was that uoa done in?
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If you are referring to the VOA in blue subie's link, that is a Virgin Oil Analysis, as in oil sent to the lab straight from the bottle. Fresh and unadulterated.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:48 PM   #170
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Why are people still debating whether or not to use Mobil 1. It's obviously **** oil that sheers easily and causing numerous rod bearing failures? Just stop being a jew like myself and use Rotella T6, Schaeffer Series 9000, or Amsoil? Pick one and call it a day. Or, run Mobil 1 and don't call me when you 30k sti is knocking like the headboard of my bed at 2am from age 16-25.
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Old 06-19-2013, 06:22 PM   #171
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Why are people still debating whether or not to use Mobil 1. It's obviously **** oil that sheers easily and causing numerous rod bearing failures? Just stop being a jew like myself and use Rotella T6, Schaeffer Series 9000, or Amsoil? Pick one and call it a day. Or, run Mobil 1 and don't call me when you 30k sti is knocking like the headboard of my bed at 2am from age 16-25.

Mobil 0w-40 is a different story.
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Old 06-19-2013, 07:00 PM   #172
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Mobil 0w-40 is a different story.
im always up for trying new oil. i have been on the t6 since i dumped the oem fluid. here is my last oil report. i changed the oil right before my protune on e85. my plan was to run the t6 for 1,000 miles and see what it looks like. any thoughts? dennis? this sample is 90% city driving, less than 4 miles to work each way. dont hit boost till the car warms up, and i dont beat it to death either. last time i had fuel @ 1.5%, this time nothing

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That has a pretty high amount of copper I think.
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:51 PM   #174
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That has a pretty high amount of copper I think.
really? its gone down every oil change, and still below the universal averages you looking at the right column?
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:17 PM   #175
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really? its gone down every oil change, and still below the universal averages you looking at the right column?

Oops, looking in the wrong column.
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