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03-23-2014, 11:40 AM | #1 |
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Built 2.5l + Dom 1.5xtr*10cm makes 410/475 race109, 392/405 on 93-Dynojet
Event: Dyno
Location: IAG Performance, Westminster MD Ambient Temp: 53.5 degrees F Elevation: Idk Weather: Cloudy/Cool Tires: Dunlop Snow Tires Car: 2011, STI Tuner: Jorge Dyno Info: Dynojet Transmission: Stock 6 speed Gear, 3rd or 4th, I do not recall Peak HP at RPM: 410.40 Whp @ 27.26lb of boost SAE Uncorrected. (MS109) 391.94whp @ 21.86lb of boost SAE Uncorrected. (93 pump) Peak Torque at RPM: 475.56tq SAE Uncorrected. (MS109) 405.30tq SAE Uncorrected. (93 pump) Baseline hp/tq for a stock on same dyno: Stock STI= 230whp Target Boost: 27 tapering down as you move up in gears, do not recall exact #s Target AFR: Fuel: MS 109 Race Gas Engine/Power Modifications Built IAG Shortblock. 2.5l w/ stock heads Driveline Modifications: Act Heavy Duty Street clutch, stock flywheel Suspension Modifications: Stock (Have white line sways+endlinks waiting to go on) Other Modifications: None. Stock interior. Full Modification List: 2.5l FHI Case Half set Manley Platinum Pistons Manley Steel H Beam Connecting Rod FHI Crank Heat Treated FHI Gasket set ARP Head Stud Kit Killer B Motorsport ultimate oil pickup FHI Oil pump 11mm FHI Oil Cooler complete w/ gasket FHI Oil Pan IAG Air Pump block off plates FHI Oil Feed line w/ filter FHI FPR Stock Cams and heads ACL Rod bearings ACL Main bearings TGVs- IAG deletes Crawford Air/Oil Separator Gates Racing Timing Belt Turbo- Blouch Dominator 1.5 XT-R * 10cm Hotside Perrin Turbo Blanket Wastegate: Tial 38mm EWG w/ dump tube (sounds so sick and scares the **** out of people, I love it!!) Intercooler: FMS Front Mount intercooler w/ Wrinkle Red piping. Mishimoto Coolant reservoir BPV: GFB Hybrid 50/50 Blow off: Currently set for 100% recirc. for drivability Turbo Inlet: Perrin 2.4"- RED Intake: IAG Big MAF Intake w/ K&N Filter (custom piping for intercooler) Uppipe: Gt spec with EWG bung Header: Gt Spec UEL Downpipe: Invidia catless CBE: Invidia Fuel Pump: walbro 255lp Fuel Injectors: Injector Dynamics 1000s Rails: Stock Boost Control: Grimmspeed Electronic Boost Control Solenoid NGK Spark Plug Iridium One Step Colder Clutch: ACT Heavy Duty Street Clutch with stock flywheel Tuned by Accessport sub 003 Oil: 5w40 Motul Synthetic, change every < 3k miles Mods to add in my possession: Whiteline 22mm Front Swaybar Whiteline 22m Rear Swarbar Kartboy Front Endlinks Kartboy Rear Endlinks Finally some suspension mods, right? :P The only problems I have run into with this build over the past year was the damn O ring in my fuel pump has decided to be a pain in the ass twice. Twice it has had to be pulled and reseated. Other than that, I can not thank IAG Performance enough for their amazing communication, professionalism and taking pride in making sure their customers are happy! I seriously have not listened to the radio for the last two days and get a big smile on my face every time I hear my EWG start raging! - I love it.
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03-23-2014, 11:40 AM | #2 |
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MS 109: try double clicking on the image if it appears too small for you. Thanks.
BELOW IS PUMP 93 MAP Last edited by 08sedanwrx; 03-26-2014 at 04:17 PM. |
03-23-2014, 05:14 PM | #3 |
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Quite a ride from 3-4k, looks like a lot of fun!!
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03-23-2014, 05:17 PM | #4 |
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Post a video!
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03-23-2014, 11:55 PM | #5 |
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why the conservative tune on race juice....?
looks like your tuner dumped ~5psi above 5k... |
03-24-2014, 05:33 AM | #6 |
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This is a daily driver, prob shoulda mentioned that
looking @ your tune back on stage 2, your tuner did the same thing. THey always drop it down as you move up. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2335051 ^link to your thread Last edited by 08sedanwrx; 03-24-2014 at 05:53 AM. |
03-24-2014, 05:54 AM | #7 |
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Because the turbo is a small turbo. Its only a 49lbs turbo.
It is a little surprising the heads weren't cammed with Kelford B cams or GSC S1 cams to help the VE from rolling off hard above 5500rpm. Having a nice flat ve until 6500-7000 would have been great, but it is what it is. Allow me to show you something I have put together in a excel spreadsheet. Will post in a few. Code:
Wa = Airflowactual(lb/min) CHP WHP (est)A/f BFSC Wa (lb/min) 500 450 10.9 0.55 50 480 430 10.9 0.55 48 460 410 10.9 0.55 46 440 390 10.9 0.55 44 420 370 10.9 0.55 42 400 350 10.9 0.55 40 380 330 10.9 0.55 38 360 310 10.9 0.55 36 340 290 10.9 0.55 34 320 270 10.9 0.55 32 300 250 10.9 0.55 30 200 150 10.9 0.55 20 Engine flow: Code:
2500 3000 3500 4000 4500 5000 5500 6000 6500 24 30 35 40 44 49 54 59 64 Last edited by west_minist; 03-24-2014 at 03:52 PM. |
03-24-2014, 06:09 AM | #8 | |
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If money grew on trees, i'd be driving a ferrari, not a subaru. :P
Heads and Cams will likely be down the road. I am going to pick up a set of doner heads to have built. So i am ready for when the motor is pulled. I had catastrophic engine failure so, shyting 15k for that at once was tough enough. Hence why i held off on Cams/Heads. Thinking of going Dom3 when i do them too. Quote:
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03-24-2014, 06:14 AM | #9 |
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That's ok. Your car is a nice car for short twisty road or autocross, autoX or what ever auto. Enjoy it.
I know the expense. I have a customer building. Original budget was $10K. We are far over it. I wanted him to get an MPS engine, but it wasn't possible. Cost going through the roof. The Dom 3 would be sweet. I personal will keep following this page when you do. Last edited by west_minist; 03-24-2014 at 06:39 AM. |
03-24-2014, 08:28 AM | #10 |
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Last edited by west_minist; 03-24-2014 at 03:52 PM. |
03-24-2014, 01:06 PM | #11 |
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I think your build would be a great candidate for a UEL to EL header comparison. Would definitly hold better power up top possibly increase torque down low as well. There is definitly more power to be had by going EL.
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03-24-2014, 10:49 PM | #12 | |
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in my eyes, the point of a race gas tune is to make max power otherwise what is the point...?....that turbo has 450whp in it easy on 109...on a built motor ?...ha, no sweat... btw, my old oem vf pro tune on stock block is not remotely comparable to a dom1.5 on a built motor... anyways, i'm not hating...heck, i've got a 1.5 as well, 'cept i'm still on the stock block... |
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03-25-2014, 12:47 PM | #13 |
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Not going to get 450whp out of a 1.5 unless its like sub zero temps with headwork, lol. I have stock heads and cams, Maybe with built heads, but not with the mods that i have. I ran race gas one time, Cost me AEM Map Sensor and 5 gallons of race gas, why not? Ofc i wont drive it daily on race gas, but when i take it on vacation to the beach (OC MD for those local guys) and stuff, you best believe ill be rolling down with a few 5 gallon cans :P
The point of building the block and running a smaller turbo was to keep reliability. I wish i could afford to daily on race gas. Woulda gone e85 but there are not enough pumps within my living radius to make it worth my time without having to plan trips. And sure its a very easy compare your old vf tune to a 1.5. They are both small turbos and i was refering to the same curve they both produced and how they both dropped off in the higher rpms. Could always go with a bigger turbo that pulls thru all the higher rpms, then it spools later. Its one or the other tbh. |
03-25-2014, 04:57 PM | #14 |
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i wouldnt worry about falling off. Your going to be revving past 6500 on the street?????
very nice build, excellent curve man enjoy it. |
03-25-2014, 07:57 PM | #15 | |
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OP, glad you are happy with your results, If/when you do headwork this thing will have a BEAUTIFUL power band even if it simply holds flat after peak. |
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03-25-2014, 08:04 PM | #16 |
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stock turbo so i honestly havent. i can see people with stronger cars finding the need to wind it out a bit more.
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03-25-2014, 08:26 PM | #17 |
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03-25-2014, 08:54 PM | #18 |
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Where is your pump gas dyno sheet? I would like to see it if possible.
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03-26-2014, 04:15 PM | #19 |
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03-28-2014, 04:40 AM | #20 |
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Nice numbers.
I have almost the same setup, Mps long rod motor Stock heads 1.5 8cm 3 inch inlet Tgvs Id 1000's w/ rails Front mount Tial 44 external Ect Made 370whp 370 wtq 92oct On cobbs mustang dyno So similar power bands And numbers (pump wise)as you were on a dynojet. |
03-28-2014, 11:12 AM | #21 | |
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Also I see a lot of people showing uncorrected numbers, that is useless. As 2 cars could be making different numbers, one tuned when hot and other when cold. You would think by looking at dyno sheets they made different power, but in reality on same weather conditions day they would make the same power. |
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03-28-2014, 11:47 AM | #22 |
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Agreed^ except the part about uncorrected numbers being useless.
I like seeing both corrected and uncorrected so you can see the difference yourself some times the corrections are stupid high...IE elevation. |
03-28-2014, 06:51 PM | #23 |
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Agreed, just saying our power bands were almost identical , i dont care about numbers .
Virtually the same setup so im sure there close in the hp department. |
03-28-2014, 07:00 PM | #24 |
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Damn impressive numbers on the Dom1.5 XTR for sure
Torque city |
03-29-2014, 02:02 PM | #25 |
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Good stuff. I'm still loving my Iag built block too. I still can't beleiev your block when it was at iag lolol. People have cracked rings. You get a hole in your engine
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