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11-20-2008, 10:51 PM | #101 |
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Mostly likely a combination of both, but there's no question a better design and suitable intake manifold is going to provide gains up top regardless...
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11-20-2008, 10:57 PM | #102 |
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well you can shave weight with them and reduce spool up time...they can also be redesigned to change the flowrate of the wheel be it by fin geometry and/or fin count.
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11-21-2008, 08:14 AM | #103 |
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It is amazing what can be done these days with a stock location turbo on a street car. But honestly, it's a bit laggy. The only reason that I bring this up is that we've been seeing a slew of these stock location "GT##R's" and people are expecting "real" GT##R performance out of them.
Dynapacks are not exactly known for reading low... (I had one for 3 years) here's a shot from Cobb's "heartbreaker" Mustang dyno at 4800 FASL: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...8&postcount=25 Granted, we've got short piping and the intake and all, but we're over 420 wft-lbs at 3900 rpm - yours tears through 400 wft-lbs at 4500 rpm. Y'all have done a great job with a stock location setup, I just want people that are searching for this stuff to be aware that there is a reason to go rotated and with a "real" GT##R. - It looks like you're planning that anyway, I just like for people to be able to have real impressions of things. Siegel Last edited by siegelracing; 11-21-2008 at 11:31 AM. |
11-21-2008, 08:55 AM | #104 | |
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As for the "i figured as much" I posted a lot more then I am not going to dyno a customers car, one that is missing a trans at that. I told you if you want to test your 540whp stock location vs my 440whp rotated mount let me know. I also mentioned that you wont be making that 540whp on a mustang dyno. Shoot me a PM if you want to test that bad boy of yours out.. Junior |
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11-21-2008, 08:57 AM | #105 |
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1642465
Were is his 40whp drop off?? Same dyno, AEM, FPRED almost the same exact WHP. Even has stock cams and heads, he also has 500rpms of faster spool, HP, and TQ |
11-21-2008, 10:19 AM | #106 | |
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11-21-2008, 10:39 AM | #107 | |
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The results that you have on your race car are far from what a normal customer with a stock intake manifold and traditional style FMIC, maintaining all the factory accessories will see - you're misleading people a bit I'm happy with the performance of this basic bolt on turbo, it's a great option for people in the market for one. |
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11-21-2008, 10:43 AM | #108 | |
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11-21-2008, 11:16 AM | #109 |
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I'm really not sweating it all too hard, it's actually funny...
Great job with your car again. When you get around to posting your pump/meth no cutout dyno chart - have Hill overlay my pump/meth dyno chart and post it. Last edited by PPhilthy; 11-21-2008 at 11:23 AM. |
11-21-2008, 11:27 AM | #110 |
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i will i am going to give him a ring today anyway. and my pump and meth map is posted in my thread now overlayed with my race gas map. o and thanks again for the kind words.
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11-21-2008, 12:06 PM | #111 | |
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Everybody please settle down a bit.
The declining power on Philthy's car is in small part a result of both flow dynamics of the stock bits but more so of the radical boost decline that this car sees from peak boost to redline. As you can see from the graphs we're losing 4 psi from 4750 to redline. This is where the meat of the power loss is coming from. If we were able to hold 31psi flat, the car would gain HP all the way to redline even with the stock intake manifold in place. As for the causes of this boost decline, I agree with Junior that it's a result of the turbine housing and likely a result of the turbulence caused by the integrated 44mm wastegate. I would also fully expect the FPRed to spool 500rpm faster on Paul's car since he's A, running AVCS and B, running a much less aggressive stock cam. Both of these things will influence the spool characteristics. Also, the Red has a roughly a 63mm turbine while the GT35R has 68mm wheel so spool characteristics should be better even without a difference in cams and an AVCS delete. Siegel, Quote:
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11-21-2008, 12:07 PM | #112 | |
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Looking for a fight All I did was post that I wouldnt blame the intake manifold for your 40whp drop in power. I gave you some information based off stuff I have seen. Mentioned that it could just be the small back housing. You replied with stuff like this... Quote:
So I am the one starting fights? |
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11-21-2008, 12:25 PM | #113 | |
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Hill great work on the AEM and tune overall! .. I am loving my AEM in the GC. Junior |
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11-21-2008, 01:53 PM | #114 | ||
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Listen you're the one that started the trash talking - I called you TWICE today invite you to E-Town tonight, since you decline to prove you can carry out power till 8000rpms on a stock intake manifold - who's dyno racing ??? LOL Your request for street racing will continue to be ignored. Last edited by PPhilthy; 11-21-2008 at 02:04 PM. |
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11-21-2008, 02:01 PM | #115 | |
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I think the comparison between the FP Red Pump/Meth 26psi vs ATP3R Pump/Meth 26psi is a more apples to apples - would you overlay those two runs and post it here? |
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11-21-2008, 02:05 PM | #116 | |
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now stop feeling like a victim as scott really came in here and said nothing more than a rotated 35R would make more power than the oem placed turbo, which is true for several reasons in this case. He isn't bashing you or trying to directly compare your car with their racecar. If anything I see him as trying to smooth out what Doug started saying...really in all Junior and everyone is saying the hotside of your turbo is largely to blame...I'd also consider the inlet of the compressor as a possibility. Now enjoy your car as you do have a great deal of power but do have room to grow. There's always bigger and better |
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11-21-2008, 02:15 PM | #117 |
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I'm not debating that and have said that too in this thread - I'm going to try an aftermarket manifold and see what that does before moving on to a bigger system.
Topspeed was in here posting their race cars chart for no purpose at all, other than to state the obvious... Add a custom rotated kit, intercooler and an aftermarket intake manifold and you can speed up spool - what's that really add to a bolt on turbo thread..? |
11-21-2008, 02:27 PM | #118 | |
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Post up a time slip first.. Then invite me to the track. Not like I could race at etown in anything I own anymore. Something something, safety equipment.. Thats what happens when you actually go fast instead of talking about it, or racing on the dyno.. I posted my proof for making power with the stock intake manifold in the form of a [email protected] mph pass.. In a full weight 06sti with a 35r.. I also posted the 10.60/10.65@131mph passes as well with about 40 more whp then you but it was made on the magic dyno. Then a 10.9@129mph with 40 less whp then you.. Like I said, show me something before you invite me anywere. With that said, since you already posted you are going to the track tonight, I look foward to seeing the time slips. You should be in the 128-130mph range with that power.. Again no **** talking from my part, you seem to be a very defensive person. If you read my post, I never insulted you or your car.. I also never insulted Hill, who I respect and have seen some nice numbers from. You started with the DYNO war.. I simply stated that I already proved my "dyno" numbers @ the track already, and dont need to redyno.. I also told you that the trans is out of the car getting the high speed ratios.. |
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11-21-2008, 02:28 PM | #119 | |
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+1 This dude is very defensive.. |
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11-21-2008, 02:55 PM | #120 |
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i really love that set up-great job guys,junior says hes a lover not a fighter lol..
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Now now girls... power doesn't fall off at the top end, it just spikes at 6k rpms! The glass is half full!
Oh and etown is closed tonight due to cold weather. |
11-21-2008, 02:58 PM | #122 |
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Defensive You come into this thread bragging how your 35r setup holds 600whp till 8000rpms, I say prove it this weekend at the CT Dyno day and then the cars apart...
You then proceed to challenge me to a street race against your 440whp car, I call you twice today to invite you to e-town tonight and now you have nothing to prove and I'm defensive... |
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oh and IBTL.
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As for challenging you... Yea after you started with the BS.. Dont get things mixed up either.. Me saying I have nothing to prove to you doesnt mean I wont run your car @ the track either.. Drive out to ATCO tonight, since Etown is closed. Post up a slip faster then 11.2 and Sunday I will meet you up at ISLAND for some runs. Quote:
Damn you Ron, that was my secret plan of attack.. I figured I could give up 100whp and make it an even race. If I really wanted to make him look slow, I just load my racegas file that makes 50whp more then his.. and thats on my stock long block. But thats only if I wanted to brag about something.. Not my style |
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