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03-28-2008, 05:25 AM | #1 | |
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BMW mulls downsizing M engines, adding turbos
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03-28-2008, 06:37 AM | #2 |
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In light of pending EU emission regs, the Germans are going to have to evolve or die.
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03-28-2008, 10:47 AM | #3 |
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The WTCC 320si makes 280bhp with a 2 liter four cylinder engine.
20 years ago, the E30 M3 made slightly less power (240hp?) with a four cylinder engine. If the M division stands for Motorsport, there is no reason why the M3 need more than four cylinders. |
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How about making the car itself smaller and lighter?
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03-28-2008, 12:25 PM | #6 |
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The E30 M3 made 192-238 hp (192 here). Hardly adequate for a car bound to weigh much more considering todays safety, comfort, and convenience requirements found in the market.
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03-28-2008, 01:38 PM | #9 |
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03-28-2008, 01:48 PM | #10 |
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I know the original M3 was a four cylinder, but there's something iconoclastic and lovely about BMW straight sixes.
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03-28-2008, 02:10 PM | #11 |
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03-28-2008, 03:03 PM | #12 |
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Performance cars should offer performance. Not power headrest... If manufacturers would follow this outline than they would sell just as many performance cars thanks to reduced cost from the reduced amount of gadgets and they woudl be able to get just as much performance from a smaller engine thanks to the lighter cars. |
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PLEASE NOTE: Performance enthusiasts do not buy performance cars. Over-paid, under-worked executives that are trying to compensate, buy performance cars. There is a very good reason that performance cars are softer and softer with each passing generation - cuz they sell. I agree that cars have become too fat and bloated, but that is not what the market is showing. If it's gonna take the new CAFE standards and other emission regulations to get car companies to make smaller, lighter weight cars, then so be it... bring on the regulations! |
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I'd like to think that CAFE will mean lighter cars will be more of an option, but I doubt it. |
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Lightweight, stripped and noisey. The best selling Integra model ever with the highest resale value to boot. They took their best performing motor, made it perform a little more and then stripped all the stuff they could to make the car lighter and basically built a instant winner. |
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03-28-2008, 06:16 PM | #20 |
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ITR was a limited-edition model. They sold in very low numbers. |
03-28-2008, 07:48 PM | #21 | |
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US ITR Production Numbers by Year 1997 320 (318) 320 Championship White (100%) 1998 1002 (1023) 1002 Championship White (100%) 2000 1355 (1347) 573 Nighthawk Black Pearl (42%) 782 Phoenix Yellow (58%) 2001 1173 (1157) 523 Nighthawk Black Pearl (45%) 650 Phoenix Yellow (55%) Not so much. |
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03-29-2008, 12:13 AM | #24 |
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Not realistic. BMW can offer 410hp M3's and 500hp M5's for (relatively) reasonable money because they're based on high volume models. Now, these volume models (regular 3- and 5-series) are not designed with maximum weight savings in mind because a) using lots of light-weight materials is way too expensive for the bread-and-butter versions and b) 525d and 528i buyers (who are much more important to BMW than a hand full of M5 buyers) will be less than impressed when you tell them that they will have to crank down their windows manually because that will make the car 0.05 sec quicker to 60.
And last but not least...talk is cheap, especially on the internet. Everybody goes on about how they only need a seat and a steering wheel, but when you look at what sells and how even hardcore cars like the Elise or M3 CSL are optioned by their buyers, you realize it's just that...talk. |
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not surprising, ford is doing the same with their pickups, bye bye v8
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