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05-21-2015, 10:39 AM | #1 | |
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BMW M4 GTS IsGo For America
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05-21-2015, 10:54 AM | #2 |
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The steering "met all customer requirements."
As does the loose rear end and ghey 335 motor because the only important criteria are 0-60 times and (paid) magazine reviews. M is dead due to fat, stupid people who truly believe they are awesome, yet are defined by the perception of their belongings. |
05-21-2015, 11:06 AM | #3 |
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^ Agree.
I'm not sure what happened to BMW, but I want the 90s and early 2000s back from them |
05-21-2015, 11:18 AM | #4 | |
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Can you elaborate on the part with the 335 motor? Just curious. |
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05-21-2015, 01:35 PM | #5 |
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05-21-2015, 01:43 PM | #6 | |
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Hence his comment. It's a numbers-generating machine foremost now, vs. older cars. For some (self included), the new motors don't hold a candle to what M motors used to be. High revving, silky, bespoke M motors with instant throttle response (e.g. S54, S65, etc.) The motors are appliances of power now, the old ones more of a dance partner, even if a slower one. Hard to explain, but a disappointment for many people who loved the nature of these cars prior to being forced to move to turbos. There's a reason BMW (and Porsche and Ferrari, etc.) held out so long. N/A motors are simply the preferred choice in sports cars from a driving experience perspective. Personally, their saving grace is that respond so well to mods. So it makes it easier to get over your desired for an N/A engine, when the one you have makes 100 bhp over stock just by looking at it funny. OK, I'll shut up now... Last edited by SoapBox; 05-21-2015 at 01:49 PM. |
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05-21-2015, 02:36 PM | #7 |
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^^ Exactly - many here get it - M has no clothes!
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05-21-2015, 03:15 PM | #8 |
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Every time Soap talks about the NA M engines it makes me want to buy an E46 .
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05-21-2015, 03:21 PM | #9 |
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E46 = king of m. My favorite M car of all time.
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05-21-2015, 10:00 PM | #11 |
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Next to an Aston Martin, it's been the most enjoyable vehicle I have ever driven. Coworker had one with kW coo lovers, rear sway bar and proper fitting wheel/tire combo along with a dixxis muffler.... ****ing loved it and still lust after one.
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05-25-2015, 08:40 PM | #12 |
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05-25-2015, 10:56 PM | #13 | |
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If you think the good 'ole days are past, you're delusional. As most people are. That said I think the sound of the new motor is annoying. |
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06-02-2015, 11:44 AM | #14 |
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06-03-2015, 12:23 PM | #15 |
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Sweet, another $90k+ 3-series BMW is exactly what the brand needs to get back on track!
Just wasn't enough that you can option the regular one up to $80k+ /s Meh. The performance of these cars is a lot less impressive once you realize how close to 6-figures they are. |
06-03-2015, 12:57 PM | #16 |
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^Not that BMW needs to "get back on track." I think they're doing just fine financially. I agree about the performance of the cars and what you get for damn near 6 figured versus something like a GT4, but blame the idiots who continuously reinforce BMW's delusions that they can produce ultra expensive, sub par products and sell them thanks to a badge and clout it carries. Don't blame BMW for taking advantage of it.
I generally hate on buyers and companies in equal measure when it comes to things like this. Hate the buyers for enabling them, and hate the companies for losing their way from their original ideas, instead chasing fatter and fatter ROIs for stock holders. This is why I love kickstarter. No old rich white guy behind the scenes to give a damn about. Just the ideas of the actual product developers and funding by people who want to see exactly what those people are pedaling. No risk of taint. |
10-07-2015, 09:08 AM | #17 |
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Official M4 GTS Coming ato the States
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10-07-2015, 09:11 AM | #18 | |
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The 2016 BMW M4 GTS is a street-legal water-injected track monster, and it’s coming t
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10-07-2015, 09:21 AM | #19 |
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that wing looks straight from the Pep boys clearance aisle. Couldn't they have gotten a wing that didn't look so out of place?
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10-07-2015, 09:25 AM | #20 |
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I appreciate how over-the-top and aggressive this car is. The spoiler appeals to my inner STi appreciator, and those wheels remind me of a Lamborghini, or something ostentatious.
I've never driven an F80 (any model), so I can't comment on steering feel, but if it's any worse than the E90, count me out. The steering on that device was very numb to me. I think this car's achilles heel will be price. There's no way it can sell for less than $100K because a fully specc'd M4 is $92K and change. |
10-07-2015, 10:42 AM | #22 | |
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Maybe you just drove a servotronic E90? Which is still good, just a bit artificial when it's light at low speeds. Some even prefer the heftier E90 rack to the too-light E46s, although the latter gives more feel. |
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10-07-2015, 10:51 AM | #23 |
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wow, those wheels are so ugly to me. It just does not fit the modern car to my eyes,
Any one else agree? |
10-07-2015, 10:52 AM | #24 | |
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10-07-2015, 11:11 AM | #25 |
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The m3 gts has never been an appealing car to me and it has always had the pep boys spoiler. This one continues the obnoxious trend. Funny; I love race car inspired stuff that is in your face like that carbon vette, evo, sti, the e46 m3 gtr etc. I hate what looks like half-assed attempts like this car. Cheapens the whole thing and appears to be a car owned by a kid with too much money but not enough style. A true ricer.
Also, people need to get over their fear of electric racks I love them and think the benefits of better reliability, less fluids, less system complexity, and typically lighter weight outweigh the negative of less road feel in the steering column. One of the things I specifically regret about the year s2000 I bought is that it has cable throttle and such. I originally liked the 2004-2005 year because it didn't have drive by wire, but I regret that decision now. Less vacuum tubes, no cables, easier tuning. All were benefits of 2006+ drive by wire. |
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