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Old 05-21-2015, 10:39 AM   #1
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appeared in the company’s U.S. ordering system. That means—although unconfirmed from BMW USA—that Pebble Beach-goers who witness the M4 GTS premiere this August will be able to put one in their garage sometime next year.


Unlike the 2011 M3 GTS, a roll-caged, orange flamethrower of which fewer than 150 were hand-built, the M4 GTS is coming to America. It pretty much has to, what with the arrival of cars like the Porsche Cayman GT4, an upcoming Jaguar F-type SVR, and a Mercedes-AMG C63 Coupe that will almost certainly spawn a Black Series edition. Even the Shelby GT350R is a possible competitor. Bimmerpost, posting a screenshot, claims the earliest build date for a new U.S.-spec GTS is April 2016, which suggests customer delivery sometime that summer. BMW has hinted at importing such a mighty M to the U.S. since at least February 2013, so we know there’s real corporate motivation rather than just a dealer hoping to churn demand.

A U.S. road car wouldn’t be sold with five-point harnesses and a roll cage, so we expect BMW to serve our GTS medium-rare rather than bloody raw. We would expect a water-injection system to cool the intake charge, a high-flying wing like on the M4 MotoGP pace car [pictured], and quicker, meatier everything, especially the electric power steering that still irks us in our long-term M3.


When we asked last November how the M division would improve steering feel, product head Carsten Pries told us the current rack met all customer requirements. With an M4 GTS on its way, we’ll call his bluff and hope M nails the GTS like it did four years ago, with polycarbonate windows and no audio system–generated brrrm-brrrm noises.
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The steering "met all customer requirements."

As does the loose rear end and ghey 335 motor because the only important criteria are 0-60 times and (paid) magazine reviews. M is dead due to fat, stupid people who truly believe they are awesome, yet are defined by the perception of their belongings.
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^ Agree.

I'm not sure what happened to BMW, but I want the 90s and early 2000s back from them
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Old 05-21-2015, 11:18 AM   #4
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The steering "met all customer requirements."



As does the loose rear end and ghey 335 motor because the only important criteria are 0-60 times and (paid) magazine reviews. M is dead due to fat, stupid people who truly believe they are awesome, yet are defined by the perception of their belongings.

Can you elaborate on the part with the 335 motor? Just curious.
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Old 05-21-2015, 01:35 PM   #5
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Can you elaborate on the part with the 335 motor? Just curious.
You know, they have the same number of cylinders and displacement, so they must be the same!

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Can you elaborate on the part with the 335 motor? Just curious.
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You know, they have the same number of cylinders and displacement, so they must be the same!

Pretty sure he's referring to the engine character and power delivery. The S55 drives much like a tuned N54. Obviously, you can't argue with the numbers these motors make N54,N55,S55, etc. They are absolute beasts.

Hence his comment. It's a numbers-generating machine foremost now, vs. older cars.

For some (self included), the new motors don't hold a candle to what M motors used to be. High revving, silky, bespoke M motors with instant throttle response (e.g. S54, S65, etc.)

The motors are appliances of power now, the old ones more of a dance partner, even if a slower one.

Hard to explain, but a disappointment for many people who loved the nature of these cars prior to being forced to move to turbos. There's a reason BMW (and Porsche and Ferrari, etc.) held out so long. N/A motors are simply the preferred choice in sports cars from a driving experience perspective.

Personally, their saving grace is that respond so well to mods. So it makes it easier to get over your desired for an N/A engine, when the one you have makes 100 bhp over stock just by looking at it funny.

OK, I'll shut up now...

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^^ Exactly - many here get it - M has no clothes!
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Every time Soap talks about the NA M engines it makes me want to buy an E46 .
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E46 = king of m. My favorite M car of all time.
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Old 05-21-2015, 03:22 PM   #10
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Or this!

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E46 = king of m. My favorite M car of all time.
Next to an Aston Martin, it's been the most enjoyable vehicle I have ever driven. Coworker had one with kW coo lovers, rear sway bar and proper fitting wheel/tire combo along with a dixxis muffler.... ****ing loved it and still lust after one.

I'll buy one when I find the right one.
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E46 = king of m. My favorite M car of all time.
Just autoX'd mine for the first time yesterday.

It's a bunch of fun.
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For some (self included), the new motors don't hold a candle to what M motors used to be. High revving, silky, bespoke M motors with instant throttle response (e.g. S54, S65, etc.)
The torque-less wonder S65? Living with this motor for years. Instant throttle response sure, but you wait for the engine to rev for power. Waiting for the engine to rev or the turbo to spool up, you're still waiting...

If you think the good 'ole days are past, you're delusional. As most people are.

That said I think the sound of the new motor is annoying.
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^ Agree.

I'm not sure what happened to BMW, but I want the 90s and early 2000s back from them
The 70's and 80's were pretty rad too.
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Sweet, another $90k+ 3-series BMW is exactly what the brand needs to get back on track!

Just wasn't enough that you can option the regular one up to $80k+

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Meh. The performance of these cars is a lot less impressive once you realize how close to 6-figures they are.
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^Not that BMW needs to "get back on track." I think they're doing just fine financially. I agree about the performance of the cars and what you get for damn near 6 figured versus something like a GT4, but blame the idiots who continuously reinforce BMW's delusions that they can produce ultra expensive, sub par products and sell them thanks to a badge and clout it carries. Don't blame BMW for taking advantage of it.

I generally hate on buyers and companies in equal measure when it comes to things like this. Hate the buyers for enabling them, and hate the companies for losing their way from their original ideas, instead chasing fatter and fatter ROIs for stock holders.

This is why I love kickstarter. No old rich white guy behind the scenes to give a damn about. Just the ideas of the actual product developers and funding by people who want to see exactly what those people are pedaling. No risk of taint.
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Yeah, sure, the BMW M4 GTS has a boy-racer huge rear wing, enough custom bodywork to make the guys at Mansory look twice and factory-fitted six-point harness-equipped racing seats that, sadly, aren’t coming to the United States. But the really intriguing stuff is tucked away under the hood: This limited-edition, hopped-up take on BMW’s signature performance coupe gets a big performance boost courtesy of water injection.

To hear BMW tell it, water injection is a sort of magical piece of wunder-tech borrowed from airplanes and drag cars that increases performance, decreases harmful emissions and reduces wear to just about everything that comes into contact with engine exhaust, turbos included. And the thing is … they’re probably right, at least in theory.

Water injection is exactly what it sounds like: On the M4 GTS, three injectors are used to blast water into the intake plenum. The water quickly evaporates, lowering the temperature of incoming air beyond what an intercooler alone would permit by as much as 80 degrees Fahrenheit; consequently, turbos can be operated at higher boost without risking knock -- all while NOX and other harmful tailpipe emissions are reduced.

(In this application, a 1.3-gallon water tank feeds the system. The car is apparently smart enough to reel performance back if that should run dry.)

Were BMW engineers working from a blank slate, this system would have enabled engineers to build an engine that operated at a higher compression ratio. As it is, however, the 3.0-liter I6 operates at 10.2:1 -- unchanged compared to the regular M4.

Even so, performance gets a very marked boost courtesy of that H2O: 493 hp at 6,250 rpm and 442 lb-ft at 4,000-5,500 rpm. Compare that to 425 hp and 406 lb-ft on the regular M4. 0-60 time is down to 3.7 seconds, and top speed is a stated 189.5 mph. Meanwhile, because we're sure you care, fuel economy shouldn't take much of a ding (we're curious to see EPA numbers).


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The car is dual-clutch only, but the seven-speed seems well-suited to track work; a stated 7-minute, 28-second stated Nurburgring time would seem to back that up. Racing-oriented highlights include an M4 GTS-specific three-way adjustable coilover suspension setup, plus steering and traction setting tailored to this particular car.

The cockpit takes the racing theme to its logical conclusion with a rear seat delete, cloth pull loops instead of door handles and fire extinguisher helpfully, though hopefully unnecessarily, mounted behind the seats. Sadly, as we mentioned, the six-point harnesses aren’t making the leap to the U.S. market.

When it used the water injection on an M4 MotoGP safety car earlier this year, BMW hinted that the tech could make the leap to production at some point. Perhaps the automaker figured it had better do it before someone else beat them to the punch: In releasing the M4 GTS, BMW says it has built the first roadgoing production car fitted with a water-injected engine. A quick bit of Internet sleuthing requires us to qualify that claim: The 1978 Saab Turbo S could apparently be fitted with a water injection system from the factory. However, that was optional, not standard.

If the technology performs half as well as BMW promises it will, especially with regard to fuel economy, emissions and the lack of wear-and-tear on powertrain components, it certainly won’t be the last car to rock a little auxiliary tank of water in the trunk -- this seems like a relatively low-compromise way to squeeze ever more power and efficiency out of ever-more-constrained motors.

If you do want to be an early adopter, though, know that 300 units of the M4 GTS (out of a 700-unit production run) are headed to the United States. Price hasn’t been announced, but being first has never come cheap now, has it?



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that wing looks straight from the Pep boys clearance aisle. Couldn't they have gotten a wing that didn't look so out of place?
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That gold wheel accent is a turn off for me. Otherwise, I'm curious if my sale department can get me one.
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I appreciate how over-the-top and aggressive this car is. The spoiler appeals to my inner STi appreciator, and those wheels remind me of a Lamborghini, or something ostentatious.

I've never driven an F80 (any model), so I can't comment on steering feel, but if it's any worse than the E90, count me out. The steering on that device was very numb to me.

I think this car's achilles heel will be price. There's no way it can sell for less than $100K because a fully specc'd M4 is $92K and change.
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I've never driven an F80 (any model), so I can't comment on steering feel, but if it's any worse than the E90, count me out. The steering on that device was very numb to me.
Are you serious? The E90 hydraulic rack is universally praised, the last good rack BMW has ever put out. If you think that didn't have feel, you're in for a shock with the new cars.

Maybe you just drove a servotronic E90? Which is still good, just a bit artificial when it's light at low speeds. Some even prefer the heftier E90 rack to the too-light E46s, although the latter gives more feel.
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wow, those wheels are so ugly to me. It just does not fit the modern car to my eyes,

Any one else agree?
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Are you serious? The E90 hydraulic rack is universally praised, the last good rack BMW has ever put out. If you think that didn't have feel, you're in for a shock with the new cars.

Maybe you just drove a servotronic E90? Which is still good, just a bit artificial when it's light at low speeds. Some even prefer the heftier E90 rack to the too-light E46s, although the latter gives more feel.
I drove a 328i for a short while. Wasn't impressed. Not sure which rack it had
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The m3 gts has never been an appealing car to me and it has always had the pep boys spoiler. This one continues the obnoxious trend. Funny; I love race car inspired stuff that is in your face like that carbon vette, evo, sti, the e46 m3 gtr etc. I hate what looks like half-assed attempts like this car. Cheapens the whole thing and appears to be a car owned by a kid with too much money but not enough style. A true ricer.

Also, people need to get over their fear of electric racks I love them and think the benefits of better reliability, less fluids, less system complexity, and typically lighter weight outweigh the negative of less road feel in the steering column.

One of the things I specifically regret about the year s2000 I bought is that it has cable throttle and such. I originally liked the 2004-2005 year because it didn't have drive by wire, but I regret that decision now. Less vacuum tubes, no cables, easier tuning. All were benefits of 2006+ drive by wire.
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