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12-17-2008, 04:06 PM | #1 |
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mxpunk's phase II ej22e wrx build!
I bought her last night, should be here in another 2 weeks or so! hopefully Jay (Storm) will send her sometime soon. i was supposed to get it awhile ago but i ran into some snags along the way
list so far (will be updated) 99 EJ22E block (open deck) revised phase II ej205 crank (has cross drilled holes) OEM ej22t pistons oem ej22t rings some type of forged rod? 97-98 ej22e phase I headgasket (3-layer) ARP headstuds acl race bearings 04+ wrx heads (maybe) 16g/18g turbo sti tmic more updates later Reserved I decided to keep my wrx stock w/ its 2 liter engine. i will build this block in my spare time and drop a bigger turbo in it and abuse this block. when/if i have to sell it i can always revert it back to stock. im shooting for 300+ whp and or 110-115 mph traps on 93 octane. no meth, race gas, etc yes i know it can be done on the 2.0 but, id like to do something different.
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12-17-2008, 04:07 PM | #2 |
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well jay came through, i guess he got off his bum on his vacation day and was nice enough to send it almost as soon as i paid him. gotta give him props cause if i was on vacation i wouldnt send **** out until it was over
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12-17-2008, 04:11 PM | #3 |
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12-17-2008, 04:11 PM | #4 |
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12-17-2008, 04:25 PM | #5 |
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Aren't you the guy that hates hybrids?
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12-17-2008, 04:33 PM | #6 |
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2.5L hybrids, yes.
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12-17-2008, 04:52 PM | #7 |
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so built motor and only 300 whp goal?
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12-17-2008, 05:28 PM | #8 |
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^^ semi built i should say. the title says build...not BUILT.
the only built thing about it may be the rods..other wise its all stock stuff. i just want to play with bigger turbos and not worry about down time due to a motor eating itself. |
12-17-2008, 08:19 PM | #9 |
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Remember it is 97-98 EJ22E headgasket; 3layer PHASE1. '99-01 are 1 layer Phase2.
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12-17-2008, 08:25 PM | #10 |
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Go with the stock STI rods.
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12-17-2008, 08:29 PM | #11 |
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^ 2.5L share the same stroke? actually i read that all EJ motors share the same stroke, but i never looked into it. i just knew all phase 1 EJ18,20,22 shared the same stroke and the cranks were interchangeable
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12-17-2008, 08:46 PM | #12 | |
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i like the way my stock wrx motor feels now, its very smooth, but the gearing sucks. boost drops off between shifts pretty bad and the gears are really really long, which is annoying in traffic because i was used to lugging it in my old 96 2.2L OBS waggoon. i guess i should jut get used to crusing around in 4th gear unless im going down hill or on a perfectly flat road |
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12-17-2008, 11:00 PM | #13 | |
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I don't really like the OEM WRX 5spd gearing. Because OUR market here is a lot different from the rest of the world, we get these LONG gears. If you look at the rest of the world, they get a much shorter geared tranny than use and use shorter final drives like a 4.444FD. Lets just say the rest of the world uses the same gearing as the Outback XT (4.444 w/ LGT gearing). For performance especialy the guys who AUTOCROSS, the WRX gearing sucks completly. When my wastegate arm feel off my flapper, The car ran like a pig. Probably just like an EJ18. The gearing was nice with little power. Shift and power is right there on the tap!! hahah that was fun!!! I only use the gear BEST for the driving condition. If the road is flat enough and I'm at a speed where I can use the higher gears, I will as long as it doesn't work the engine too hard to keep the car moving. 30-35mph I'd cruise using 4th gear in a WRX. I do that in my NA tranny too long time ago. In the JDM 6spd, I'll use 5th gear. With the USDM 6spd, 5th gear is a bit too long for 30-35mph unless it's REALLY FLAT. Then when I need to really go at 30mph, double clutch downsihift revmatch into 2nd gear and wait for the turbo at 4500rpms and WOT all the way to 7000rpms. hahahaha |
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12-18-2008, 10:50 AM | #14 |
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it looks like the OEM ej257 rods are good till 500whp or so, i guess ill go with them like reddevil said. any suggestions on oil pumps? |
12-18-2008, 11:35 AM | #15 |
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Personally I would not build this engine. I think you are just asking for head gasket problems with the open deck. I'm not saying it won't work and that it hasn't for others. But I woudn't do it myself.
I think all the rods are the same part number. I've had almost every size subie engine apart and all the rods look identical. I just got a jdm wrx 4.111 trans. Gearing is MUCH better. I like 1-4, but it could use more overdrive. I might put the us wrx 5th in it. |
12-18-2008, 11:40 AM | #16 | |
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how much did that jdm 4.11 run you? |
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12-18-2008, 11:51 AM | #17 | |
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With the open deck, the cylinders aren't supported and will move around some under high hp and high side loads. That's what I don't like. The whole "hybrid knock" thing is just an NASIOC thing. Anyone halfway decent can tune the car to run correctly with no knock. A turbo motor with 9:1 or 9.5:1 compression will run fine especially with meth. My opinion is that the stock subie knock sensor sucks for non-stock aplications. It picks up a lot of false knock if you have a "noisy" car. I paid $460 for the 4.111 jdm trans. I sold my us wrx trans for $250, it was hard to get into first, I gave the guy the parts to fix it, I never got around to it. I got a 4.11 rear diff for $25 and sold my 3.54 diff for $50 and kept the LSD out of it. I got lucky and the whole deal didn't cost me much at all. |
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12-18-2008, 12:21 PM | #18 | |
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and i dont redline my car all the time, so i think ill live, the car willl see the drag strip a few times a year, i doubt ill have any problems. if i was building a road race car or a dragster id probably go w/ a fulll 2.5L long block anyways. the only advantage of the closed deck IMO is that the top of the cylinders have more surface area for the gasket to sit on so it'd be less likely to move around. |
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12-18-2008, 12:27 PM | #19 | |
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The open deck block will probably work ok for you. I know it has for others. I just don't like the idea of it myself. Subie engines are easy to work on. Getting the piston pins back in is a little tricky, the rest is easy. I'm going to go with a 2.5 sti shortblock with forged pistons, my wrx heads and a 20G or green someday. Not sure when, my 2.0 runs perfect doesn't leak or burn oil at 120,00 miles so it's kinda hard to think about replacing it. |
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12-18-2008, 12:32 PM | #20 |
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Where can I get The 1215 subabond stuff or whatever its called? i tried ordering it from subarugen. parts.com and they didnt have it. no auto parts stores around here carrry it either.
im going to have to do some serious reading and learn how to use a micrometer and whatnot to check all the clearances. |
12-18-2008, 12:34 PM | #21 | |
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All the EJ16,18,20,22 cranks share the same 75mm stroke crank, its when you bump up to the EJ25 that you get the 79mm stroke crank. I use the Ultra Grey stuff from permatex, works great. ~Josh~ Last edited by ballitch; 12-18-2008 at 12:36 PM. Reason: subabond. |
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12-18-2008, 12:40 PM | #23 |
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12-18-2008, 01:13 PM | #24 |
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You can get the fujibond quality stuff at honda or a motorcycle shop. We also use the grey permatex but I'm not sure it is quite as good. Why would you spend the money for gaskets and bearings on a open deck motor if you are starting from scratch anyway. If you mess with a suby long enough you will want more boost. Even the od 2.5 motors have headgasket problems as just stockers. They are running more compression than a od wrx motor. If the od wrx is not abused ie driven by a woman or older person they hold up fine mainly because they aren't under boost to redline very much. The 2.5 na motors that are babyed probably go to 100k in most cases but I've bought two that at about 130k had headgasket problems. They were just used as normal grocery getters. There used to be a big forum of disgruntled suby owners that had headgasket problems it may still be active. It's your money, good luck
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ive had 2 ej18e's, a phase 1 ej22e and they were all open deck just liek the ej205. Quote:
this isnt going to be more then 350 whp @ the most. if i was looking to make a 10 second car it wouldnt be a subaru, not now anyways. once i am done with school and have a real career i would def consider it, maybe. |
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