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Old 10-28-2012, 07:47 AM   #401
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it's not the the boxy styling. my girlfriend and i like the boxy styling. it's just the face is a face a mother could only love.
On her Mercedes?
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:51 AM   #402
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Chrome is normal? Sure maybe in your world. Chrome looks out of place on a cheap entry level car. That is my opinion and you are free to disagree. I don't want chrome on my car.

Btw, didn't realize colored body parts were so hard to clean?

While you are at it, why not ask Subaru if they can do a one off for you for the Forester?
Chrome is cheap. How you don't understand that baffles me along with the fact that what you think is normal obviously is from 8 years ago. This world, AKA reality, has moved past the body colored to chrome accents. Normal doesn't mean it looks good but that it's accepted and is the ongoing trend.

Maybe you should pick up a dictionary while you're at it, lmao. Maybe I struck a nerve, again?

There will be more chrome accents in the future so have fun not wanting chrome on a car.
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Old 10-28-2012, 08:41 AM   #403
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Thanks for the link Torquemada.

Can anyone figure out what the last picture from this link shows. At first I thought it was some kind of skid plate for the rear diff. But it has vents on it and I think I see part of the front fog light leading me to think it is below the engine.

Could that be some kind of air intake for the intercooler?


Never mind, I forgot Subaru moved the turbo to the front bottom of the engine. This must be the skid plate to protect the turbo.
You're probably right on, because of the ride height they couldn't get enough spacing between the drip tray and the turbo and had to goto metal so it wouldn't melt.

I wonder if they saw warping or something with the LGT's that had the turbos down there?
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Old 10-28-2012, 08:52 AM   #404
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Funny to think M-B might now make a better looking Forester (in the GLK) than Subaru. It may also arrive with diesel before/if the Forester ever does.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

;D Yep, better looking and more practical in terms of physical dimensions. I just hate the fact that their taillights don't use amber/orange turn signals.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:47 AM   #405
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Chrome is cheap. How you don't understand that baffles me along with the fact that what you think is normal obviously is from 8 years ago. This world, AKA reality, has moved past the body colored to chrome accents. Normal doesn't mean it looks good but that it's accepted and is the ongoing trend.

Maybe you should pick up a dictionary while you're at it, lmao. Maybe I struck a nerve, again?

There will be more chrome accents in the future so have fun not wanting chrome on a car.


Maybe you should tell Subaru that as the '12/'13 Impreza and the '13 XV lack all this chrome that you somehow believe is now the standard. It isn't.
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Old 10-28-2012, 10:38 AM   #406
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Not a fan of chrome at all. The M pkg on my 1er removed that ****, thank goodness.
Anyway, this is going to be one of those Subaru you got to see in person I think. The current FXT is a good looking vehicle in person and in pics. This... ugh, I don't know. That FXT bumper is a little on the ridiculous side. Not digging the chrome surrounds on the fogs. Why would I want my attention drawn down there? I still don't know about the pointy nosed hood either. The headlights jut out like the 4Runner.

Just looks like somebody didn't have the flow and uniformity police sign off on the styling. Looks like a bunch of different jumbled ideas from various manufacturers.

And Subaru... PLEASE fix these on the USDM model. KIA fixed the horrible Optima wheels (which these remind me of), don't even let these make it over here...PLEASE.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-gYPqvrdeQcs/UI...B17%25255D.jpg
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Old 10-28-2012, 10:55 AM   #407
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Maybe you should tell Subaru that as the '12/'13 Impreza and the '13 XV lack all this chrome that you somehow believe is now the standard. It isn't.
Maybe you should actually Google the difference between "normal" and "standard."

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Old 10-28-2012, 11:16 AM   #408
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Not a fan of chrome at all. The M pkg on my 1er removed that ****, thank goodness.
Anyway, this is going to be one of those Subaru you got to see in person I think. The current FXT is a good looking vehicle in person and in pics. This... ugh, I don't know. That FXT bumper is a little on the ridiculous side. Not digging the chrome surrounds on the fogs. Why would I want my attention drawn down there? I still don't know about the pointy nosed hood either. The headlights jut out like the 4Runner.

Just looks like somebody didn't have the flow and uniformity police sign off on the styling. Looks like a bunch of different jumbled ideas from various manufacturers.

And Subaru... PLEASE fix these on the USDM model. KIA fixed the horrible Optima wheels (which these remind me of), don't even let these make it over here...PLEASE.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-gYPqvrdeQcs/UI...B17%25255D.jpg
LOL, I'm just happy they didn't include the rear turn lights on the bumper like the Kia Sportage. That's a completely horrible idea. I agree, no hood scoop with a try-hard bumper isn't attractive at all. I'm curious what Subaru measures the approach and departure angels at with that front fascia. The rims I'm okay with. I care more about that chin that is just asking to hit rocks and pubbles when soft-roading.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:36 AM   #409
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Maybe you should actually Google the difference between "normal" and "standard."

I'm not sure what your point has even been this whole time.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:38 AM   #410
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Would be interesting to see an XV version of the Forester, perhaps like the off road one from the SEMA show (or whichever one it was) with approach angles and so on addressed.
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Old 10-28-2012, 02:22 PM   #411
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On her Mercedes?
i should have been more clear. the new forester is fugly. i might grow on me. but the glk is easy on the eyes. my sister has one. everything is great except the mileage is terrible. and you know how girls are, they hate to feel like they are being copied. my girlfriend has a c240 4matic and want to get a suv awd. well i going to assume she means a compact suv and not a gargantuan suburban or something rather. so i am trying to convert her over to the subaru family. the forester and the outback are "my" choices, but she thinks they are ungly and now the new model is not anymore appealing than the last IMHO. but there isn't alot of good looking compact suv. on the list is the cx-5, forester, outback, rav4, highlanger, and escape. she is a typical girl who just want to something pretty and awd. my criteria is much much longer and pretty isn't one of them.
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Old 10-28-2012, 02:34 PM   #412
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Also, not sure I would want a Benz outside of warranty. However, the GLK350 is one sharp looking vehicle.


you know it really depends on the luck of the draw. my mom, girlfriend, girlfried's dad and sister have mercedes outside of warranty and all of them, except for my girlfriend's c240 4matic, had some really random things go wrong. my moms ml500 had a bad steering fluid reservoir leak, brake master cylinder failed. my girlfriend's dad's e500 radiator exploded because of faulty wiring, heater transfer motor fail, air suspension on the driver side failed. then my girlfriend's sister's c55 amg has a retarded list of fails, exhaust, air bags, brakes, fuel system.

BUT!!! my girlfriend's c240 has been perfect, except for one of the window regulator broke and once the oil turned into honey mustard, but other than that, perfect. *knock on wood.
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Old 10-28-2012, 03:29 PM   #413
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I agree others here that Benz makes the sharpest looking small-ish SUV. All of those problems would turn me off from the brand, though, at least for a decade. To me, the looks aren't worth dealing with all that, and the underlying worry about what was going to break next, and when and where. To me, Subaru provides much more confidence.

Once we can see some professional photos of the Forester in different colors and trims, and with the roof rack, I think it will look fine. Not M-B fine, but at least on par with the class. Maybe it'll be enough to persuade your gf, ans2k. Time will tell.
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Old 10-28-2012, 03:43 PM   #414
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i really want to love forester. just as i love the 2012 impreza. i think it is a great small SUV but with its new looks, it is definitely on par with the competition. definitely can't wait for official photos. what is a little scary is the fact that there might be a long wait time as there was/is for the new impreza.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:55 PM   #415
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I agree others here that Benz makes the sharpest looking small-ish SUV. All of those problems would turn me off from the brand, though, at least for a decade. To me, the looks aren't worth dealing with all that, and the underlying worry about what was going to break next, and when and where. To me, Subaru provides much more confidence.
Very valid point. Subarus have shortcomings in looks, amenities and fuel economy but they're more reliable than most other makes. Not so easy to give that up when you get used to it.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:13 PM   #416
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i should have been more clear. the new forester is fugly. i might grow on me. but the glk is easy on the eyes. my sister has one. everything is great except the mileage is terrible. and you know how girls are, they hate to feel like they are being copied. my girlfriend has a c240 4matic and want to get a suv awd. well i going to assume she means a compact suv and not a gargantuan suburban or something rather. so i am trying to convert her over to the subaru family. the forester and the outback are "my" choices, but she thinks they are ungly and now the new model is not anymore appealing than the last IMHO. but there isn't alot of good looking compact suv. on the list is the cx-5, forester, outback, rav4, highlanger, and escape. she is a typical girl who just want to something pretty and awd. my criteria is much much longer and pretty isn't one of them.
Lol, I honestly I don't mind the looks too much but Subaru does need to hear us when we said that we love the current generation looks and dislike the new generation looks. It's just a preference. It'll grow on you if anything. And if it doesn't, I would hope the reliability and reputation does.

Someone can look good in a car that looks good but it doesn't matter how good a car looks if it's stuck in a ditch. Buy the correct tires and, even if you drive into a ditch, hopefully your AWD system (or 4x4/4WD) is good enough to get you out of that embarrassing situation. I'm hoping she knows that because being stuck in a ditch doesn't exactly spell grace and poise.

I can understand where your girlfriend might come from in terms of looks but honestly I think being a ditzy driver who gets stuck in a ditch is less "pretty" compared to someone who drives a not-as-attractive CUV/SUV but actually showed up on time. At least being a woman that's how I see it.

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I agree others here that Benz makes the sharpest looking small-ish SUV. All of those problems would turn me off from the brand, though, at least for a decade. To me, the looks aren't worth dealing with all that, and the underlying worry about what was going to break next, and when and where. To me, Subaru provides much more confidence.

Once we can see some professional photos of the Forester in different colors and trims, and with the roof rack, I think it will look fine. Not M-B fine, but at least on par with the class. Maybe it'll be enough to persuade your gf, ans2k. Time will tell.
The second Subaru tries to follow the RAV4 and CR-V even more so in terms of the front fascia and the sloping roof lines is when I just pony up and buy a full sized SUV. I hate car manufacturer's that prioritize looks over utility and I hope Subaru realizes utility > looks.
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Looks gaudy to me. Why would I have to spend more time and money to make something look "normal" when really a low $20k Subaru has no need for fake chrome. This isn't a $80k Benz. Just looks cheap. Should just leave those parts painted. Hopefully chrome is just for LTD trim which I have no interest in.
This is how it was with the Impreza. Base Impreza didn't even get painted side mirrors. Limited got chrome everything!
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I hate car manufacturer's that prioritize looks over utility and I hope Subaru realizes utility > looks.

Those aspects are not mutually exclusive. You can have both utility and good looks. Not sure why you are assuming you can only have one?

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This is how it was with the Impreza. Base Impreza didn't even get painted side mirrors. Limited got chrome everything!
I sure hope so. I have no interest in the limited version. Just a 2.5X Premium or the XT Premium.

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I agree others here that Benz makes the sharpest looking small-ish SUV. All of those problems would turn me off from the brand, though, at least for a decade. To me, the looks aren't worth dealing with all that, and the underlying worry about what was going to break next, and when and where. To me, Subaru provides much more confidence.

Once we can see some professional photos of the Forester in different colors and trims, and with the roof rack, I think it will look fine. Not M-B fine, but at least on par with the class. Maybe it'll be enough to persuade your gf, ans2k. Time will tell.

Agreed on all parts.
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Those aspects are not mutually exclusive. You can have both utility and good looks. Not sure why you are assuming you can only have one?
Not sure why you're assuming I even said anything about either one being mutually exclusive. I said "I hate car manufacturer's that prioritize looks over utility and I hope Subaru realizes utility > looks."
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Found another picture of the new Forester:

http://subarublog.wordpress.com/2012...forester-2013/

Looking very good!
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Not sure why you're assuming I even said anything about either one being mutually exclusive. I said "I hate car manufacturer's that prioritize looks over utility and I hope Subaru realizes utility > looks."
I wasn't making an assumption. You said you hope utility > looks, I am just stating that it is possible for utility = looks in that a car can have both. You don't need to pick or chose.


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Found another picture of the new Forester:



Looking very good!


Good. No tacky chrome trim around windows. Grill can be easily fixed with the mesh grill. Would actually look 1/2 way decent with the mesh grill rather than that stock grill.
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I wasn't making an assumption. You said you hope utility > looks, I am just stating that it is possible for utility = looks in that a car can have both. You don't need to pick or chose.
No, I said "I hope Subaru realizes utility > looks." Just because you prioritize something over the other doesn't mean that it's the same thing as having one and NOT the other. That's why it called prioritizing. You're making an assumption by assuming the latter is what I mean when I didn't state anything literally saying they were mutually exclusive or that Subaru should have to choose one without having the other.
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Lol, I honestly I don't mind the looks too much but Subaru does need to hear us when we said that we love the current generation looks and dislike the new generation looks. It's just a preference. It'll grow on you if anything. And if it doesn't, I would hope the reliability and reputation does.

Someone can look good in a car that looks good but it doesn't matter how good a car looks if it's stuck in a ditch. Buy the correct tires and, even if you drive into a ditch, hopefully your AWD system (or 4x4/4WD) is good enough to get you out of that embarrassing situation. I'm hoping she knows that because being stuck in a ditch doesn't exactly spell grace and poise.

I can understand where your girlfriend might come from in terms of looks but honestly I think being a ditzy driver who gets stuck in a ditch is less "pretty" compared to someone who drives a not-as-attractive CUV/SUV but actually showed up on time. At least being a woman that's how I see it.
couldn't have said it better myself.
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Lol, I honestly I don't mind the looks too much but Subaru does need to hear us when we said that we love the current generation looks and dislike the new generation looks.
Do you feel you represent all previous generation Subaru buyers? And frankly, almost every single new generation Subaru design is denounced by a vocal group on these and other forums. Other manufacturers have similar responses.
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You're probably right on, because of the ride height they couldn't get enough spacing between the drip tray and the turbo and had to goto metal so it wouldn't melt.

I wonder if they saw warping or something with the LGT's that had the turbos down there?
Subaru sell a diesel Forester in Europe right? Maybe they saw some problems there. I guess this is one of the trade offs for putting the turbo up front.

I wonder if the turbo FA model would have a different approach angle compared to the FB engine Forester.
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