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Old 10-30-2012, 05:36 AM   #451
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The forester doesnt look like it uses cowl induction, it just has the ducting for the IC routed inferior to the hood, entering at the top portion of the grille. The Mazdaspeed 6 had similar.

I like it, its subtle, functional, and doesn't make you look like a teenager with a big bird-sucker of a scoop gaping at the world, making you look fast and furious to LEO's.

As neato as the kid in us thinks the scoop is, I think engineering it out, at least in the Legacy and Forester is a good idea. Leave it on the WRX and STI, as the demographic probably prefers it.
Soccer mom with a turbocharged engine apparent because of the hood scoop screams Subaru.

No hood scoop screams soccer mom. It added to the Subaru quirkiness.
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The target demographic for the Forester does not care about the hood scoop. Subaru has a long history, the bulk of it doesnt include turbos or hood scoops. Watch the new forester sell, it will match its demographic and generate sales for FHI. Not everyone has the same opinion as you, and not everyone wants a quirky car.

Notice that as the profound 'quirkiness' was smoothed out of their newer models, they experienced record sales month after month.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its wrong. You are one of many. Catering to the one is not profitable, catering to the many is. If you have any hope of whatever it is that you want from them, they need to sell their bread and butter.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:10 AM   #453
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The target demographic for the Forester does not care about the hood scoop. Subaru has a long history, the bulk of it doesnt include turbos or hood scoops. Watch the new forester sell, it will match its demographic and generate sales for FHI. Not everyone has the same opinion as you, and not everyone wants a quirky car.

Notice that as the profound 'quirkiness' was smoothed out of their newer models, they experienced record sales month after month.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its wrong. You are one of many. Catering to the one is not profitable, catering to the many is. If you have any hope of whatever it is that you want from them, they need to sell their bread and butter.
Obviously. No one said they did have the same opinion as I do. The same can be said about your opinion. Not everyone who buys a Forester is your "assumed" target audience.

Quirky was still apart of the SH generation. Just because it seems to appeal only to a minority doesn't mean the quirkiness wasn't still there for the new customers whether they noticed it or not. The turbo Forester model joined Subaru in 2004 and the Forester debuted in 1998 model year so, as far as Subaru history goes, turbos were apart of the Subaru Forester. The turbo Forester models ALWAYS had hood scoops. If you're talking about turbocharged Subaru vehicles that aren't the Forester, obviously you're in the wrong thread.

The demographic is still there even if Subaru is going mainstream. Otherwise the turbocharged variant would have been faded out just like the Legacy GT and Outback XT by the end of the SG generation but it wasn't. The Outback outsells the Forester in the USDM yet there is still a turbo. Please don't assume the demographic doesn't prioritize high-altitude desire for power because it does include such. Otherwise the H6 from the Tribeca and Legacy 3.6R would have been traded into the Forester to get rid of the dated previous WRX turbocharged engine.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:14 AM   #454
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:17 AM   #455
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Looks ok but I hope the base NA engine has DI. Also, if you sit in a Impreza,Crosstrek and 14 Forester you get a identical interior!
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:55 AM   #456
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Something tells me the mesh grille option is toast. That is a split grill, as I first spied weeks ago - don't think the mesh thing will work. Bummer. WYSIWYG.

And to the poster above... If you some how think this new FXT is anything less quirky then the previous gen - you're way off. This is about as quirky as they come. I'd gladly prefer a hood scoop over the weird pointy nose hood lines, goofy-ass non-functional bumper "air intakes" etc. Between the weird, wide, squared-off box bumper jaw/mouth, the headlights that stick way the hell out etc., I'm wondering if the real-life, in person version can pull it off, at this point.

The non-FXT looks worlds better IMO. Quite the opposite from the '13s.

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Old 10-30-2012, 10:37 AM   #457
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The forester doesnt look like it uses cowl induction, it just has the ducting for the IC routed inferior to the hood, entering at the top portion of the grille. The Mazdaspeed 6 had similar.

I like it, its subtle, functional, and doesn't make you look like a teenager with a big bird-sucker of a scoop gaping at the world, making you look fast and furious to LEO's.

As neato as the kid in us thinks the scoop is, I think engineering it out, at least in the Legacy and Forester is a good idea. Leave it on the WRX and STI, as the demographic probably prefers it.
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The target demographic for the Forester does not care about the hood scoop. Subaru has a long history, the bulk of it doesnt include turbos or hood scoops.
Does aerodynamics come to mind for any of you? Better mpg? Look at the last WRC car. The concept of it had hood scoop, but they got rid of it on the actual car for aerodynamics.


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Looks ok but I hope the base NA engine has DI. Also, if you sit in a Impreza,Crosstrek and 14 Forester you get a identical interior!

You mean like the '08-'11 Impreza and '09-'13 Forester?
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Old 10-30-2012, 10:45 AM   #458
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This has already been...
Sorry if they're duplicates. I've been following the thread very closely and had seen only one page from the same brochure (posted by torquemada) plus a different shot of the silver Forester.
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:06 AM   #459
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Of course the aerodynamics are in there, just weren't specifically mentioned in the pedantics of the aesthetics debate. Many reasons to engineer past the scoop.

The mesh grille thing is a matter of taste. Im not saying Im the biggest fan of the standard grille, but the mesh, to me, looks like a blatant afterthought, dare I say, aftermarket. Its purely subjective, and they sold plenty of them, so it seems like it would be behoovy for them to have one available for the new model.

The major factor in this model's quirkiness which is different from the q-ness in the past is a definable corporate face. Im not saying its not quirky, but quirky in a way that people will be less hung up on or afraid of.

We generally all hate the new stuff anyway, but remember, Subaru having more bread and butter models that sell and generate $ will (hopefully and theoretically) allow and empower them to give us things like 'bespoke' WRX and STI separate from the Impreza family and the BRZ.
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:08 AM   #460
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So the badge and wings are attached to the hood?

I assume that the intercooler is fed air from the front grill.
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:33 AM   #461
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Thats what I get out of the picture, gets air from under the front lip of the hood, along the black routing/ducting at the underside of the hood, and hitting the IC. Im just making an educated guess, since my degree isnt in engineering.
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Old 10-30-2012, 12:23 PM   #462
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Soccer mom with a turbocharged engine apparent because of the hood scoop screams Subaru.

No hood scoop screams soccer mom. It added to the Subaru quirkiness.
I guess this is what you are looking for?






In all seriousness, I am happy that Subaru has made the Forester broaden its appeal to a larger audience. That only means good things for FHI.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:04 PM   #463
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lolThat picture
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:19 PM   #464
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So, did others notice the SI Drive, and 0.33 coefficient of drag that's equal to the sleek new CX-5 (and better than Outback)? Big improvement over the 0.38 of the previous Forester... nice work, Subaru.
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So, did others notice the SI Drive, and 0.33 coefficient of drag that's equal to the sleek new CX-5 (and better than Outback)? Big improvement over the 0.38 of the previous Forester... nice work, Subaru.

They have had Si Drive on Forester turbos(JDM) since '09. The placement on the buttons on the steering wheel are cool though. A little bit like the Legacy GT buttons on the back side of it's steering wheel so you don't have to take your hands off to change it.

It's cool they can get the coefficient down like that with more interior space which makes you think "bigger".
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So, did others notice the SI Drive, and 0.33 coefficient of drag that's equal to the sleek new CX-5 (and better than Outback)? Big improvement over the 0.38 of the previous Forester... nice work, Subaru.

The other thing is the fuel economy. I have no idea what models they are talking about (I assume the FB20).

15.2 km/L = ~35.8 US mpg

14.4 km/L = ~33.9 US mpg


I know the test cycles are completely different, but that is still very impressive.
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The farther Subaru goes away from hood scoops, the more I like them
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Welcome to the era of functionless bumper scoops...
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Does aerodynamics come to mind for any of you? Better mpg? Look at the last WRC car. The concept of it had hood scoop, but they got rid of it on the actual car for aerodynamics.





You mean like the '08-'11 Impreza and '09-'13 Forester?
I get what you are saying I just hoped they would make it a little different to add to the newness of the next generation
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I get what you are saying I just hoped they would make it a little different to add to the newness of the next generation

Oh, I agree. I HATE that they are identical. I think each different car should be different while still having a "similar" look. Not identical. I understand costs and stuff, but still.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:04 PM   #471
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It seems as though they could have splashed the interior with at least a little variance without driving up the cost, but the newer interiors are such a step up from my 06.
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The DIT FA20 for the XT is awesome but they better put something better than the NA FB20 for the base Forester because that is underpowered.
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If they decide to implement the FB20 in it's current state then this car is going to fail from a power train standpoint. Adequate in the Impreza and barley adequate in the XV. Most likely is a carryover 2.5 FB from the 13. But maybe we will see some DI with the 2.5 for the base engine,can anybody tell from the Japanese website if that is true?
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Old 10-31-2012, 08:52 AM   #474
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It's almost November.
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So is there a JDM car show or something this next month that'll debut this thing? When's the USDM debut? Eager to hear specs. I think I'm the only one.
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Welcome to the era of functionless bumper scoops...
It has been that era for a LOOOOONG TIME.



I give you 9 non functional air intakes.

9!!!
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