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Old 07-12-2014, 12:46 AM   #376
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Times up. It's been 10 days. Take my money and make my rex sound better and go faster.

Joking aside. Do you guys still feel the product is safe w/o a tune?
^Couldn't have said it better myself. Take my damn money!
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Old 07-12-2014, 12:53 AM   #377
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Times up. It's been 10 days. Take my money and make my rex sound better and go faster. Joking aside. Do you guys still feel the product is safe w/o a tune?
You know you'd get a tune anyhow.
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Old 07-14-2014, 05:13 PM   #378
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So when can we buy it? ^_^
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Old 07-15-2014, 10:05 AM   #379
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Sounds Great!
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I re-watched and it looks like the AFR under 4,800 also leaned out by 1.0-1.2 AFR.

That puts it more in line with the AFR of direct injected cars that I am used to. I do wonder how the tuners are going to take this news, as they stated that you can't lean the tune out without knocking.

Since the intake doesn't technically lean out any programmed values, I wonder if it will cause the same knock issues that hard coding the lean out will cause.
Yes, the AFR ratio is slightly leaner compared to the factory numbers throughout a majority of the power-band. Despite this, the AFR is still well within a safe range for consistent operation. We did not note any knock during any of our testing procedures.

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Big numbers....better sound too. Let's see the results after a little while
This test was conducted after 120 road miles as we allowed the ECU to adjust to the intake. Power output remained nearly the same following this road testing.

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Times up. It's been 10 days. Take my money and make my rex sound better and go faster.

Joking aside. Do you guys still feel the product is safe w/o a tune?
Yes, this intake is designed to operate on the factory tune.

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So when can we buy it? ^_^
Thanks guys! We have an announcement regarding the intake this morning, updates coming soon.


Additionally, we added a new vehicle to our shop! We picked up another 2015 WRX, this one is a 6 speed model. For the product development and testing we have planned, this was definitely needed. Check out the twins!

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Old 07-15-2014, 11:20 AM   #380
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"Coming soon"....such a tease guys lol....COME ON! LoL
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Old 07-15-2014, 11:27 AM   #381
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What did the manual put down on your dyno?
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Old 07-15-2014, 11:33 AM   #382
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"Coming soon"....such a tease guys lol....COME ON! LoL
Sorry! Check out the information below.

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What did the manual put down on your dyno?
We are performing some additional testing this week. Updates on the way.


Thanks to everyone for following along with our progress! We are offering a limited run of these intakes to the members of this forum. Our first few units are expected to arrive next week. Because we only have a very limited production run that cannot service our distribution needs, we have decided to offer the initial production run to our faithful forum followers. Not only will this allow forum members to be one of the first to purchase this product, but we are also offering this at a reduced price.


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Old 07-15-2014, 11:55 AM   #383
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what are the major benefits of the box? I mean I know it is covering the filter and helping direct air, but any HP diff?

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Old 07-15-2014, 12:10 PM   #384
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what are the major benefits of the box? I mean I know it is covering the filter and helping direct air, but any HP diff?
Most of the time it's to keep some of the engine heat away from intake to reduce intake temps
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Old 07-15-2014, 12:20 PM   #385
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I just looked at your dyno plot with the a/f ratio...I'm guessing the black line is stock and the intake is orange, how come the stock a/f drops at 4.5 and the a/f with an intake holds constant longer? Also what do you guys believe is a safe range for a/f without being too lean?
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Old 07-15-2014, 03:04 PM   #386
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I like how you guys managed to get over 15whp from a "custom catback". That alone makes me extremely skeptical about your claims.
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Old 07-15-2014, 03:16 PM   #387
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I'm hoping this lives up to both the power claims, and the bit of not needing a tune.
I kind of hate myself for not being patient and waiting to see results from other members in the forum, so I guess i get to be a guinea pig XD.
Anyway, now i can't wait =)
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Old 07-15-2014, 03:22 PM   #388
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This setup is gaining power by most likely a combination of factors.

1) it leans out the AFR under WOT by 1.0-1.2. This should be fine because the stock tune is so rich that it is ridiculous. Only time will tell if there was a real reason that subaru set the stock tune to a 10.5 AFR on the DIT motors.

2) by creating a different Airload value with this setup, the ECM is most likely referencing a different part of the stock map that is on the stock tune. This could lead to it reading in a row that has a higher or lower timing value set (since the timing is presumably controlled by a table with the Airload value as X axis and the RPM value as Y axis).

So while it doesn't "require a tune" to run it, it is causing the stock ECM to operate off of different values that are on the existing factory tables. Adding a tune on top of this is likely not to provide a huge amount of additional gains.

Stage 1 tune = 20-30whp

Mishimoto tubes = 20-30whp

Stage 1 plus Mishimoto tubes will likely not equal 40-60whp and will most likely result in a total output of 20-30whp anyhow.
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Old 07-15-2014, 03:35 PM   #389
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This setup is gaining power by most likely a combination of factors.

1) it leans out the AFR under WOT by 1.0-1.2. This should be fine because the stock tune is so rich that it is ridiculous. Only time will tell if there was a real reason that subaru set the stock tune to a 10.5 AFR on the DIT motors.

2) by creating a different Airload value with this setup, the ECM is most likely referencing a different part of the stock map that is on the stock tune. This could lead to it reading in a row that has a higher or lower timing value set (since the timing is presumably controlled by a table with the Airload value as X axis and the RPM value as Y axis).

So while it doesn't "require a tune" to run it, it is causing the stock ECM to operate off of different values that are on the existing factory tables. Adding a tune on top of this is likely not to provide a huge amount of additional gains.

Stage 1 tune = 20-30whp

Mishimoto tubes = 20-30whp

Stage 1 plus Mishimoto tubes will likely not equal 40-60whp and will most likely result in a total output of 20-30whp anyhow.
Something like that, but if you've seen the Cobb Stage 1 prototype graphs, the behavior of the powerband is vastly different than stock. My point being, while a tune + intake isn't going to get you 60 horsepower, the holistic effect is still much greater than each of them individually.

So i've got a question for you guys (Mishimoto). What makes the stock intake setup suck so much? The ECU obviously has the overhead to safely take advantage of more airflow. Is the stock setup just extremely restrictive? Did you start replacing sections and ultimately identify where the majority of the restriction lies? Such a simple solution for quite a bit of power is great news for us, but other than keeping the power down to a reasonable gap between the WRX and the STi, it just doesn't make much sense. Previous model stock intakes have never really had this issue until much higher power levels.

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Old 07-15-2014, 03:57 PM   #390
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I seriously doubt that the stock intake is restrictive, especially at OE power levels. The reason why this CAI increases power is as Psykostevo said, in which it acts like a stage 1 tune. Granted, when you're at 350+ whp, then yeah, you're hitting the limits of the stock intake, in which case, you would need an aftermarket intake of some sort for greater flow.
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I seriously doubt that the stock intake is restrictive, especially at OE power levels. The reason why this CAI increases power is as Psykostevo said, in which it acts like a stage 1 tune. Granted, when you're at 350+ whp, then yeah, you're hitting the limits of the stock intake, in which case, you would need an aftermarket intake of some sort for greater flow.
If modifying the intake increases power, then inherently there's a restriction in the stock intake design.
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Old 07-15-2014, 04:33 PM   #392
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My understanding is that any gains realized from an intake are due to it tricking the MAF sensor, which can be done with a tune to a much finer degree. So kind of like psyko said, once tuned it's hard for me to believe as Mishimoto says that this would result in additional gains. Either way, I'm on the list and will be a guinea pig for the rest. Good timing as I plan on getting tuned in the next month.
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Old 07-15-2014, 05:00 PM   #393
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what are the major benefits of the box? I mean I know it is covering the filter and helping direct air, but any HP diff?
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Most of the time it's to keep some of the engine heat away from intake to reduce intake temps
We found no difference in power output with the addition or deletion of the airbox. This is primarily in place to reduce the effect of engine bay heat on intake temperatures. Our goal is to reduce filter heat-soak. Additionally, the airbox provides a cleaner engine bay and a factory-like appearance. This box is designed to utilize the stock air scoop to obtain optimal airflow.

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I just looked at your dyno plot with the a/f ratio...I'm guessing the black line is stock and the intake is orange, how come the stock a/f drops at 4.5 and the a/f with an intake holds constant longer? Also what do you guys believe is a safe range for a/f without being too lean?
This is very likely due to the additional airflow and very minor MAF scaling. The AFR curve on this plot was produced with our intake in combination with a cat-back exhaust system. We found that the combination of these two upgrades produced a slightly leaner ratio compared to our intake by itself. While still safe, our intake on an otherwise stock vehicle is slightly richer. We will be posting a plot and AFR curve later this week featuring our intake as the only upgrade. The factory tune is extremely rich and we designed our intake to provide a precise balance between increased power and safety.

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I'm hoping this lives up to both the power claims, and the bit of not needing a tune.
I kind of hate myself for not being patient and waiting to see results from other members in the forum, so I guess i get to be a guinea pig XD.
Anyway, now i can't wait =)
Thanks for joining the pre-sale! You will not be disappointed!

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This setup is gaining power by most likely a combination of factors.

1) it leans out the AFR under WOT by 1.0-1.2. This should be fine because the stock tune is so rich that it is ridiculous. Only time will tell if there was a real reason that subaru set the stock tune to a 10.5 AFR on the DIT motors.

2) by creating a different Airload value with this setup, the ECM is most likely referencing a different part of the stock map that is on the stock tune. This could lead to it reading in a row that has a higher or lower timing value set (since the timing is presumably controlled by a table with the Airload value as X axis and the RPM value as Y axis).

So while it doesn't "require a tune" to run it, it is causing the stock ECM to operate off of different values that are on the existing factory tables. Adding a tune on top of this is likely not to provide a huge amount of additional gains.

Stage 1 tune = 20-30whp

Mishimoto tubes = 20-30whp

Stage 1 plus Mishimoto tubes will likely not equal 40-60whp and will most likely result in a total output of 20-30whp anyhow.
Great points! We are experimenting with some tuning in the very near future in an attempt to squeeze out a bit more power and provide product/vehicle specific tunes for our entire line of 2015 WRX products.

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Something like that, but if you've seen the Cobb Stage 1 prototype graphs, the behavior of the powerband is vastly different than stock. My point being, while a tune + intake isn't going to get you 60 horsepower, the holistic effect is still much greater than each of them individually.

So i've got a question for you guys (Mishimoto). What makes the stock intake setup suck so much? The ECU obviously has the overhead to safely take advantage of more airflow. Is the stock setup just extremely restrictive? Did you start replacing sections and ultimately identify where the majority of the restriction lies? Such a simple solution for quite a bit of power is great news for us, but other than keeping the power down to a reasonable gap between the WRX and the STi, it just doesn't make much sense. Previous model stock intakes have never really had this issue until much higher power levels.
It is hard to say the stock intake is a poorly designed setup, although it does have some restrictions. Our intake setup provides smoother airflow and the filter also aids in flow. The slight change in MAF scaling also provides a slightly leaner mixture which results in additional power. This setup has been thoroughly tested and we are 100% confident in the performance of this product.
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Old 07-15-2014, 05:49 PM   #394
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Thank you Mishimoto for your write up and taking the time to address the questions we have, As soon as I get my car I will be ordering some parts from you
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:44 PM   #395
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I was planing on getting the nameless axleback exhaust. But since I'm not getting a tune, i'm wondering if it would be safe to run in conjunction with the CAI I just ordered from Mishimoto.

Anyone think it would be a problem to run both?

Here's the link to the Axleback:

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Old 07-15-2014, 06:52 PM   #396
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Old 07-15-2014, 07:01 PM   #397
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I have a perrin quad tip catback, will these 2 upgrades work together?
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Old 07-15-2014, 07:43 PM   #398
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The worst part of this product is the fight between responsibility and enjoyment lol. I might be forced to wait and pay more later.

I don't see them coming here with a load of bull....no one would ever trust them again. 30HP is a BIG claim, why would you set the bar so high if it only makes 5HP?

I might have to wait...if so, I will pay more later sadly, but 30HP with a bolt on is INSANITY! Thanks for your work and sharing so much here once again!
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The worst part of this product is the fight between responsibility and enjoyment lol. I might be forced to wait and pay more later.

I don't see them coming here with a load of bull....no one would ever trust them again. 30HP is a BIG claim, why would you set the bar so high if it only makes 5HP?

I might have to wait...if so, I will pay more later sadly, but 30HP with a bolt on is INSANITY! Thanks for your work and sharing so much here once again!
whp is the claim
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Old 07-15-2014, 09:52 PM   #400
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I was planing on getting the nameless axleback exhaust. But since I'm not getting a tune, i'm wondering if it would be safe to run in conjunction with the CAI I just ordered from Mishimoto.

Anyone think it would be a problem to run both?

Here's the link to the Axleback:

http://shop.namelessperformance.com/...uffler-delete/
I'm also interested in this, but already bought the CAI! Will wait for a few other things to come in and tune it all at once if so. Thanks
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