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12-19-2012, 01:00 PM | #1601 |
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I was referring explicitly to the pitch as the rpms slide up and down.. I don't need a studio mic to hear it. Troll harder.
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12-19-2012, 01:02 PM | #1602 | |
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Is McIntosh a better system? Subaru did that for a second here and still does in Japan. |
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12-19-2012, 02:29 PM | #1603 | |
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The rear seats in the new Forester will accommodate even tall 6-footers in reasonable comfort. It's pretty typical for the rear seats to have less lateral support, so as to be able to accommodate three across (like a bench seat) as well as to facilitate flat-folding seat backs. While it looks "slabby" in the photos, the contour and comfort is no worse than any other car's rear seat I have sat in. On the contrary, the Forester is probably in the top 10% of best overall rear seat comfort for ANY class of cars, IMHO. So no worries. |
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12-19-2012, 02:31 PM | #1604 |
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12-19-2012, 02:36 PM | #1605 |
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12-20-2012, 07:14 PM | #1606 |
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12-21-2012, 10:27 AM | #1607 |
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I've never seen any glowing review for the H/K system within the Subaru line-up. I wouldn't hold my breath either.
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12-21-2012, 11:51 AM | #1608 |
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Seriously, A W. Give it a rest. I get tired of reporting your offensive posts. You were on an okay streak for a while there actually giving useful information without offending, but you've just reset the clock.
If you can only learn anything through first-hand experience, I feel sorry for you for all that time you'll inevitably waste in life. In other news, I'm glad for the video. I was curious to know what a turbocharged engine mated to a CVT sounded like as it passed. The CVT already feels like an infinitely-spooling turbo, so I'm still curious to know (first-hand, I might add) what it feels like to drive one. The sound IS disappointing, though. |
12-21-2012, 01:12 PM | #1609 | |
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12-21-2012, 06:05 PM | #1610 | |
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12-21-2012, 10:06 PM | #1611 | |
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http://www.autotrader.com/research/a...world-test.jsp Car Connection video road test: "...a fab Harman/Kardon sound system with 440 watts of power. It'll pump out NPR's Morning Edition with such clarity, even Nina Totenberg will make perfect sense." http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...ideo-road-test |
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12-22-2012, 09:57 AM | #1612 |
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12-23-2012, 11:32 AM | #1613 |
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Looks like Subaru updated their spec sheet on their site: http://www.subaru.com/2014-forester.html
It would appear they removed the words "paddle shifters" from the spec sheet, as it now reads just Lineartronic CVT. Further down under "Transmissions" it reads: available Lineartonic CVT with low mode (2.5i models) or 6 and 8-speed manual modes (2.0XT models). The recommended fuel is 91-octane with no * next to horsepower saying it only gets the 250HP with 94 as shown in the press release spec sheet. Also, I didn't see anything about towing specs, which I could of swore was there before. Can someone confirm this? |
12-24-2012, 12:52 AM | #1614 | |
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MEANING: The radiator has nothing to do with the low tow rating since those generations had towing specs well over 2K lbs. I'm leaning toward the CVT trans as being the hang-up. Perhaps, during testing, the trans had issues. I dunno. Not buying one until they change the rating. |
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12-24-2012, 01:04 AM | #1615 | |
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If you go in right now and ask for a radiator for an Impreza, you'll get one part. If you ask for a radiator for a Crosstrek, you'll get a different part. If the part numbers are different, there is a difference in those parts. This is based off my limited experience since working at the dealership and the extensive experience from my parts guy(25years+). My zone trainer ran this up the ladder for an answer. It came back from the national product manager. And why would you cut out the part of my quote that explained that difference? Are the Foresters overseas getting ALL the same parts that affect towing that we are getting? |
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12-24-2012, 01:27 AM | #1616 |
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Sometimes they are, sometimes they are not. Sometimes the parts go down the ladder of numbers (brakes come to mind, but radiators too) of one superseding the other. I'm not saying they are necessarily the same, but both those part numbers are from past or current US market cars that have a tow rating substantially higher than the pitiful 1500 rating for new Foz. The differences you mentioned had little to do with the tow ratings of the initial vehicles they were designed for. Why should it be any different for a new model which receives the donor radiator? Platform too heavy? Like I said, I do not know.
I worked parts, too, yo! Not trying to call you out on your info. Chill. |
12-24-2012, 09:40 AM | #1617 | |
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I understand that. It comes down to total design. New car. New transmission. The radiator it takes to tow 2400lbs, they deemed to pricey for the USDM market. BS I think. I can't imagine it being SOOO much more expensive to sacrifice that much rating. The questions I field about towing have grown the past couple years. I agree this is a big step backwards. As I believe the new Forester will sell like mad, I also think this lower tow rating my sway a few folks to get an Outback instead. |
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12-24-2012, 11:58 AM | #1618 | |
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12-24-2012, 11:40 PM | #1619 | |
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Your idea of a marketing move is probably closer to the truth. The Outback, which has a higher tow rating is only about $2,000 more than the Forester. To add the equipment to make it tow more would increase the final cost of the Forester and would probably bring it too close to the price of the Outback and take away from sales. Besides the Forester seems to be more positioned to compete with the RAV4 and CRV, which both to my understanding have the same 1,500 lb tow rating. Where as the Outback in my opinion will now be the Tribeca replacement moving forward. I personally was in the market for a new Outback until I heard of the new Forester. The Forester has better gas mileage, better looks IMHO, Eyesight is available, it is available with turn signals on the mirrors, keyless start, it has more interior room and it's about $2,000 cheaper. The only thing the Outback has going for it now is the tow rating. If the tow rating was higher on the Forester, who would buy an Outback? |
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12-25-2012, 01:58 AM | #1620 | |
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12-26-2012, 11:00 AM | #1621 | |
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12-26-2012, 12:03 PM | #1622 | |
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Allow me to cut through the myths and facts with the HP rating for the turbo using various octanes of premium. At the L.A. Auto Show, one of the reps at the show showed me an iPad containing dealer training materials for the new Forester. This is how I learned of the exterior/interior color combos that I posted several weeks ago. Another slide contained the following. Regardless of what details people are trying to extract from partially-released specs, the fact is, what is written below is what SOA is training their own reps, so I expect this to be factual. This is typed in verbatim to what was written; no more no less, so don't ask me for any more details..... 2.0XT - Premium Fuel Recommended * Power unit developed for maximum efficiency & performance using premium (93 AKI) gasoline * Owners may use regular (87-91 AKI) fuel, but may see reduced performance and/or fuel economy -- Reduction depends on driving style; more noticeable in spirited driving, may not be noticeable in certain city driving situations*Lower octane fuel won't increase engine wear * Lower octane fuel should not be used when towing or at higher altitudes when engine load is higher |
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12-26-2012, 12:12 PM | #1623 | |
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12-26-2012, 08:31 PM | #1624 |
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It doesn't change the fact that Subaru is trying to sweep it under the rug that with 91 octane the HP is NOT 250. It's pathetic that they're trying to advertise it as otherwise on the website.
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12-26-2012, 08:42 PM | #1625 |
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Did any of you think that your junk 91 ever gave you brochure performance? Talk to tuners, there is a big difference between 91 and 93. You always need 93 to get peak numbers.
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