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11-20-2012, 11:44 AM | #251 |
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I know this, but the article said under the camo is the new nose, and judging by the... Bulbousness... of the camo and all the talk of a European pedestrian-safe nose, I'm not holding my breath that this is going to look like the renderings we've seen before.
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11-20-2012, 02:24 PM | #252 | |
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I know it is just a cover and we can't say for sure what is under it; but, what I see is the Astin-Martin Fusion nose in that cover design. |
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If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that it's still a development mule probably testing the front end sheet metal configuration or some such thing. Otherwise, the whole thing would be in heavy camo. It's getting more than just a new front end, so why show off 3/4 of the new car?
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2015 Mustang gets no four-cylinder in USA
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I might just pick up a 2011 GT for cheap when the 2015 drops and save money. |
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I am excited about this news. As long as the BOSS 302 is > any GT model, they will keep their value.
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Isn't the new RS also coming in 2015?
Therefore that will b the default choice for those of us rally loving/tuner/muscle car hating/ex scooby-Evo owners. |
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03-08-2013, 09:04 PM | #259 |
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Why can't any car company just ever hit it out of the ballpark... so they're adding IRS and new world wide styling.. cool. 2 steps forward. Same engines? They're ok, but they need to get DI on the coyote asap... so 1 step back. They could have had a real winner with a completely new setup, but they'll miss the mark by just THAT much like subaru did with the brz, and we'll have to wait 2 years for a midlife refresh to get the full package.
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I take it you havent driven one? 420 HP is more than enough, and they handle quite well stock. Adding IRS and probably a few other enhancements and you still complain? |
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03-09-2013, 09:25 PM | #261 | ||
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I'm just glad those of use who put our money on the table and make these buying decisions seem to have more common sense than is expressed in the statement above. |
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He might be suggesting DI because of the higher compression ratios and subsequent fuel mileage increase.. Not power.
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03-09-2013, 11:09 PM | #263 | |
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How about you show me a car that didn't get better fuel mileage after DI was added.
I didn't say the Mustang got poor fuel mileage, but thanks for playing. |
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I'm just not in the argument you're trying to put me into.
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03-09-2013, 11:32 PM | #267 |
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03-09-2013, 11:45 PM | #269 | |
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So, for that +2 HP and a premium of $38,000.00 you get it all.. a kick ass DI V8 and excellent fuel economy (considering the power). Somehow, I'm thinking that won't pull sales from those shopping for a Mustang GT, however. I could be wrong? |
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03-10-2013, 12:14 AM | #272 | ||
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420 HP is far more than "good enough". So is 26 MPG, when no other car in this class that would be reasonably cross shopped with a Mustang GT even comes close. How about an E92 M3? Nope.. 19 MPG with DI, price premium and all. Quote:
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03-10-2013, 07:26 PM | #273 |
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Ultimately, the next-gen Mustang should be lighter than the current... which in and of itself should guarantee improved fuel mileage and performance. With that said, zzyzx, you seem to be a little over defensive of the Mustang and in doing so, it almost sounds as if you're arguing against the addition of DI. Even assuming this report is true, and the next Mustang doesn't get DI at launch, it will certainly quickly receive it in an update. If only to compete better with the next Camaro which will get the LT1.
"Delivering the product at an affordable price point" is not really a defensible argument at the economies of scale Ford produces this motor at, with all it's shared applications. Once the DI upgrade makes it to production, actual increase in production costs would probably only amount to a few hundred dollars per engine at worst. Probably less, and that kind of amount is easily recouped elsewhere within the project; hell, it could pay for itself on the basis of being ready to go at launch rather than Ford having to invest additional marketing later to advertise the upgrade when it happens. It's coming either way. |
03-10-2013, 09:22 PM | #274 |
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^ I think your observations are fair within the context of what's been said in this thread.
However, my stance is reflective of the decisions that the Ford engineers actually made during development of the Coyote, and why they made them. This article outlines the specifics, and is an excellent read about the development of the Coyote: 2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Coyote Given the specific details outlined in the article I think the position I hold is defensible, but that said I'm sure there will come a time when DI on the Coyote will happen. If you read the article you'll see that that was actually the plan from the start. And, as we have precious few details about the actual next-gen Mustang V8, everybody is assuming it will not have DI... that remains to be seen. Though I think it's unlikely the bottom line is we don't know. Lets face it the Coyote (and Roadrunner) are so far beyond - technology speaking - what is currently offered by GM and Dodge I think Ford has some buffer. If we assume that the 2014 Corvette LT1 is going to find a home in the next Camaro, then maybe that'll push Ford to put DI on the Coyote. I guess we'll see, but it all sounds good to me. |
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