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01-30-2013, 02:56 PM | #2626 | |
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01-30-2013, 03:11 PM | #2627 | |
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01-30-2013, 03:18 PM | #2628 |
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Thanks, oceanguy. Well said.
I dont see how anyone outside soa would have any statistics. Inflated egos, yes, but no statistics. |
01-30-2013, 03:24 PM | #2629 |
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I'm still trying to find info on WHEN and HOW the sae threshold of 1qt per 1000 miles was established.
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01-30-2013, 03:30 PM | #2630 |
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I don't know if CR would be alarmed about consumption even if their test car is consuming oil. For all they know, their car could be the outlier. Now if CR's annual auto survey data starts to reveal a trend, then that's something that would get CR's attention.
Or maybe not. As you know, I don't have a fondness for VW TDIs, having owned a problematic one. Many people on the VW forums are reporting High Pressure Fuel Pump (HPFP) issues. This has manifested itself as a Fuel System black dot on the CR reliability charts for the VW TDIs. But CR hasn't done anything more about it than print these black dots. It's not like CR is writing articles about VWs with a relatively high percentage of HPFP failures. They're just letting the black dots do all the talking. What more do you think CR would do even if their own Impreza consumed oil? |
01-30-2013, 03:37 PM | #2631 |
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My "Oil Consumption Analysis" form from the dealership states something to the effect of 1200 miles and 1 quart. I will try to scan it and post it if I can figure out how to do that. I am not saying that I was the when or how - just substantiating the info that I have in my possession.
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01-30-2013, 03:38 PM | #2632 |
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How ironic. CR does an article on expensive oil in economy cars and their new Impreza chimed in with a low oil warning.
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01-30-2013, 03:39 PM | #2633 |
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01-30-2013, 03:51 PM | #2634 |
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Mines bout the same.
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01-30-2013, 03:52 PM | #2635 | |
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I don't read a sentence in an article about 0w-20 and think the sky is falling and all or many or most Imprezas are or will burn oil. There is no evidence of that, unless you care to provide better numbers than I already gathered. My guess is that won't happen. |
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01-30-2013, 03:57 PM | #2636 |
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Oceanguy- you are correct about subaru's allowance. It is 1.1quart per 1200 miles.
The standard SAE allowance is often cited, at a quart per 1000 but I havent found anything about when or how that data was established. My contention is that the sae allowance was set long ago. A.d that there isnt a good excuse for these "modern engines" to be burning oil like its 1975. I also speculated long ago that CR probably werent checking their dipstick per the manual at every other fuel-up. Hell- they had to dig up the owners manual to see what kind of oil it takes... Real scientific people over there, they hadnt even opened the owners manual. |
01-30-2013, 03:58 PM | #2637 | |
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A few people on here really seem to have only one objective, to discredit any accounts of oil-burning turd engines. |
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01-30-2013, 04:09 PM | #2641 | |
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You are acting as if you can discredit my estimate while simulaneously are completely ignorant about how I arrived at the numbers I arrived at, and why. There is no point debating someone who is too lazy to follow the entire discussion, sorry, I am not interested in retyping something that is easily found using the Search feature. That's why they provide a Search feature, you really ought to learn to try that out. Instead you just want to jump in late and pretend you know something that you obviously have no clue about. I'll let you and 79 give each other hugs, there is obviously nothing to be gained by chatting with you when you are too lazy to read the discussions that occured before you piped in with your opinions. |
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01-30-2013, 04:20 PM | #2642 |
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So when did this become the rip Zeeper apart thread the guy made an educated guess ie hypothesized a number it is not set in stone just a best guess estimate based on info at the time. You can disagree with it all you want but after you do how about giving us some more avenues to explore or some other figure that we can use as a baseline. 79 you have an axe to grind yet you still haven't found the free time to go get the consumption test you said you would go have done. You incessant back and forth increases this thread without any productive results you do more disservice than you can imagine to the very issue you are working to have resolved. I am not saying we all have to agree god knows there are things I disagree with based on my own experience that doesn't mean I can't listen and then make a decision based off my best guess however I do try quite hard to avoid unnecessary jabs and berating others or trying to rip others apart for the benefits of my own ego.
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01-30-2013, 04:22 PM | #2643 |
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I have read 106 pages of this thread because I have a vested interest in the outcome of oil consumption - I discredited your statistics because they are not statistics at all. You took a known variable (number of cars sold) and applied your guess as to the number of cars consuming oil. Enough said. You have nothing to offer. Use the search to view my post. They will generally provide a link to how I came to my thinking. You, however, have nothing to provide but feel as though you have some statistical analysis to provide. Please point me to your post to the information outside of your guessing a number to plug in and call it a statistic. Since you are completely unable to grasp the english language, I have offered you a definition: sta·tis·tic [stuh-tis-tik] Show IPA
noun Statistics. a numerical fact or datum, especially one computed from a sample. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/statistic?s=t Good day |
01-30-2013, 04:31 PM | #2644 | |
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Whoever read my post can agree or disagree, but I said it was an estimate, and showed where I derived the numbers I chose. I estimated much higher than the known cases of oil consumption to arrive at my less than 2% figure. Anyway, it is clear this is more emotional than mathematical for you. I'll add you to my ignore list so that we both have peace of mind, or even if you don't, at least I will. On a side note if my car consumed oil, by now I would have a list off forum of names and numbers of people here, as well as anyone else who wanted to add their name to the list, with the express purpose of approaching SAO as a group seeking remediation. It's too bad for you that my car does not burn oil, because unlike you, I would have already been taking action to try and remedy the problem, not just bloviating on an anonymous internet forum. I also doubt, somehow, that I would be undermining my relationship with the dealer needed to rectify the problem, once SOA comes up with a solution Last edited by Zeeper; 01-30-2013 at 04:38 PM. |
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01-30-2013, 04:46 PM | #2645 | |
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01-30-2013, 04:47 PM | #2646 |
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well done
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01-30-2013, 04:56 PM | #2647 |
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I really didnt see anyone being ripped apart. ive sure had my share of sand kicked in my face. Its the internet...
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01-30-2013, 05:26 PM | #2648 |
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The reason I'm not rushing to a dealer an hour and a half away is that I am not burning a quart in 1200 miles. I'm getting closer, though.
I have a service appt due at 21k and that will be in the summer. So in the meantime, I'm discussing the situation with other owners, and digging up links to other tidbits having to do with the discussion. The CR thing is pretty huge, considering all the talk about CR from certain parties on this thread. Notice how Zeeper has to convey intellectual superiority with almost every word he posts? And how he has to belittle and insult all us lesser beings. |
01-30-2013, 05:28 PM | #2649 |
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I should get some links from Edmunds... Theres a lot of oil consumption discussion going on there.
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01-30-2013, 05:44 PM | #2650 |
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