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02-06-2010, 10:13 PM | #1 |
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I need a tune on my 05 STI
Hey im looking for a tune. I got a CAI, DP, and exhaust. Car is throwing a CEL, and flashing cruise light. Doug Smith Subaru said im running lean. Im in need of a map adj. Anyone do this or know anyone that can adj my air/fuel ratio??? I think thats all i need. I live and work in Orem, But I do visit my dad who lives in Layton. So anywhere in between there would be nice. Preferrable in Utah County area. Thats where i spend 90% of time. Let me know who is out there.
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02-06-2010, 10:23 PM | #2 |
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Buy a Cobb Accessport.
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02-06-2010, 10:32 PM | #3 |
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02-06-2010, 10:52 PM | #4 |
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I have one for sale. AP-SUB-002.
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02-06-2010, 11:52 PM | #5 |
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Go to some place good. Right now most of us are SOL since Cobb is gone. For now I would suggest putting on your stock intake so you dont run lean.
Which intake do you have? |
02-07-2010, 12:39 AM | #6 |
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I hear the guy at turbo labs is good, just hard to get anything lined up with him.
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02-07-2010, 12:57 AM | #7 | |
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Tuned him at wastegate boost, added a Blow off valve (again WTF!?). Either take it back to stock and wait a bit or get an AP. |
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02-07-2010, 01:10 AM | #8 |
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Don't buy an AP,
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02-07-2010, 01:41 AM | #9 |
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yeah, I agree... F**K being able to log your car, change maps on a whim and have tech support.
OP: Decide what you prefer, spending $700 for a tool that allows for easy map change, easy logging, trouble shooting, CEL reading/clearing, Plug and play and don't worry. Or having someone you don't know hook up a laptop, load a map and run with it. They will tell you it is safe, but you have no way of knowing. If something does go wrong and the motor goes, they won't answer your phone calls and they wont help you get a new motor. Choice is yours. If you plan on learning how to tune your car, by all means hook up the laptop and go. If you want something that you don't have to mess with, get the AP and be done. |
02-07-2010, 03:29 AM | #10 |
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Re: I need a tune on my 05 STI
go with xpt tuning.com maps, some argue they are better than the cobb off the shelf, personally i have seen one and they are great. find someone with a tactrixs cable and romraider software like myself that can flash the map for you. also i would reccommend getting a wideband afr guage, the innovate lc1 is great.
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02-07-2010, 09:23 AM | #11 | |
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Just LOL at the fist bold stuff Run some AP maf scaling and then let someone who knows how to scale do your maf and look at the resulting trims, mine are all +or- 1%, good luck getting those with E on a Cobb map... You think your hung low because you have no idea how to tune or work on your own cars? Most of your response was just to blatantly ignorant to be taken seriously, you think your the only one who can be a prick? btw i hear you love the gay community. Last edited by 907Bum; 02-07-2010 at 09:32 AM. |
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02-07-2010, 10:03 AM | #12 | |
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Seeing by what you post is very childish and no F*****g way in hell would I let a little kid even touch my car.I see we have the best tuner in the world living in utah again. You didn't have another screen name turbohunket did you. |
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02-07-2010, 11:47 AM | #13 | |||
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I fail to see why you think EVERYONE should be on E85. We all know it is cheaper, we all know it has a better octane rating, we all know it is a cleaner fuel. But it ISN'T convenient enough for everyone to run it. Maybe the guy just wants a stage 2 car? Maybe you should let the customer decide what they want!? Quote:
2. Going to EFI University shortly to learn how to tune. Where did you get your tuning education from? I would like to see credentials. 3. I do work on my own car(s). Some things I don't feel comfortable with and I hire out to Solid Autoworks. Something many, MANY people on this same board do. Is their something wrong with that? 4. How am I being ignorant? By giving the original poster options!? I forget that giving someone options is ignorant and saying "Don't buy an AP, I sent you a pm" is really informative. 5. Not trying to be a prick, just stating facts. If you want to learn to tune, by all means hook up a laptop. If not, get an AccessPort. I fail to see how that is ignorant or makes me a prick. I love all people regardless of sexual preference, race, religion. We are all people just trying to survive. I think it sad that you choose to elevate yourself above others. What do you gain out of it? Back on topic. Whenever you modify a cars parts you need to tell the ECU that you have done so, other wise it will think something is wrong CEL and other parts will be compromised. So either get an accessport or find someone respectable to have them do a custom open source tune. |
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02-07-2010, 12:02 PM | #14 |
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There's a feeler thread in here for maybe flying Clark Turner in, get on that bandwagon cause that guy is pretty good.
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02-07-2010, 12:13 PM | #15 |
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I love Cobb, and the people who work there.
now that I have that out there. Honestly all you AP owners out ther: How many times have you changed your map in the last week/month/year? How many times have you logged your in the last car wee/month/year? I had an AP for 2 years. It sat in the glove box for the majority of that time. What's the big deal of using a laptop? Even if you started from scratch right now. mini solid state hard drive computer: 239.99 tactrix cable 2.0: 169.00 Now you are at 408.99 You still have more capability than an AP. You can log your car, change maps, monitor 30 parameters at once and see all of them at once. EVEN surf your PRON now add a lc-1 wideband for $220 with a gauge and serial to USB cable. $628.99 you have wide band and everything. Even if you had a wideband setup you can't log that with your AP. That laptop fits in your glove box, under your seat, in the door pocket. Even if you just change your ROM once use your laptop for something else. Go to school and take notes, what ever. |
02-07-2010, 12:36 PM | #16 |
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now I have let that comment sit for a bit
the plus to having an AP -1 unit, it's still smaller than ANY laptop. -I don't need to down load different pieces of software to do different things. Log, change ROMs, change my map, reset ECU, dyno numbers. -The AP runs off car power. I don't need inverter (which I have wired into my car off the constant power wire) or a power adapter. If you let your laptop sit in your glove box for 2 weeks the battery will be dead for sure.... It's a great tool, its just not your only option out there. |
02-07-2010, 01:33 PM | #17 |
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^^^^ I agree with a lot you have said.
I personally changed my maps quite often between my pump 91, my mix 95 and my race gas 104 maps. I logged my car with my AP regularly. Most people don't. Which is fine. Pro's and cons to both ways. I am not saying one is better than the other, I am saying it is preference. If I were to do Open Source, I would have a laptop and tune myself, I wouldn't get maps from somebody else and hope that it is going to run right. Your just too limited. Where as the AccessPort has had revision after revision, and IF you aren't going to tune yourself, then the AP is in my opinion the way to go. |
02-07-2010, 05:44 PM | #18 |
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My ap sat in my closet after i flashed stage 2. I sold it and got a t-cable.
BUT the ap was super easy for a noob like I was. I like both. I just already had a decent laptop and figured It to be a better choicefo ME at the time. |
02-07-2010, 08:17 PM | #19 |
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I have an xpt stage 2 tune and it is great! I dont know why you would spend $700 on an AP, it honestly isnt worth that much. I spent $55 on that tune and had my friend flash it to my car. Works like a charm. Im sure there are people here that would be willing to help you.
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02-08-2010, 12:04 AM | #20 | |
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I have a question for the OP: Did you just install all those parts? Ok here is my suggestion, since you seem to be on kind of a time crunch, and the Clark Turner meet wouldn't be for a month, if not longer than that, because not enough people have expressed interest in it. 1) Go and buy an AP like everyone else has suggested. or... 2) Become good friends with some people in the Subaru community who do datalogging. Personally, I have a friend (I'm not sure if he's on here, his s/n is rectangular) who does some pretty good tweaking to maps. or... 3) Spend a couple hundred bucks to have someone give you a road tune to fix your issue. If you just installed the TBE (downpipe + exhaust/cat back) AND the intake, you are going to need a tune ASAP. it throws a whole ton more things at you than just running rich. And just to blow off some steam TO EVERYONE who is arguing... It sounds to me like the OP is looking to get his tune tweaked a little bit, so he's not running rich, not get a race tune. So quit your bitching about whatever your opinions are (AP vs OS), and lets get this guy some help. Sorry for making such a long post to read through scrappydoo7, I hate reading long responses when I'm just looking for a quick answer. |
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02-08-2010, 01:54 AM | #21 |
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what blows my mind is how the hell a MAF controled car misfires with only air modifications. ive never understood why subaru does this. at least the new ones. the old ones dont have a problem but the new ones do. i just do not get it.
get an ap because its made for simpletons. meetamullet is no simpleton |
02-08-2010, 07:42 AM | #22 |
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Cobb maps compensate for the many different conditions they are run in by running the maps rich, my stance is why would you put something inferior on your car when there is something better out there?
Why pay for something you can have for free? It's kinda like buying an ipone (or many other apple products) they basically took opensource programs and re-tooled them slightly and made the consumer pay for it. IMO the Acessport is the same thing. For what it's worth I do everything to all my cars, no one else will touch them, if you dont' feel comfortable doing something odds are it shouldn't be done to your car. I'm with Meda on the logic of the total costs for everything, the LC-1 and tactrix cable and about 5-6 hours of reading and you are on your way to learning how our ecu's work, personally the 5-6 hours to figure it out are worth it. that being said i've spent probably 200-300 hours playing with everything on my car, yes lots and lots of time. Running and Grabbing an AP out of apathy and laziness is the worst thing someone can do. EFI tuning school will teach you again the basics however like any school there is no substitute for actual experience, which you will figure out. I understand that i'm in the minority when it comes to my opinion on how and why things should be done which is fine, i'm in Utah this concept is nothing new to me. Your money kids, your cars just my 2c. |
02-08-2010, 08:27 AM | #23 |
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I beleieve Cobb has people on staff that crack the code of the ecu's and have a tuner that knows what he is doing make the maps that go on the cars so I would have to say you are wrong there bud.I would rather run a little rich for safety than pop a motor.
For most people two to three hundred hours isn't worth the time it definately isn't to me.I do my mods drop my car drop it off pick it up in a few hours pay a few hundred and drive away without any issues doesn't get any easier than that. So for what medamullett put up you save seventy bucks still have to install the wide band, download software,flash a map you HOPE is suitable for your car log it (on public roads)tweak it probably to get a tune. Just to save seventy bucks.Now I am having flashbacks of turbojunkie after reading your post. |
02-08-2010, 09:58 AM | #24 |
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I have the accessport on both my cars. I like them alot because they are so user friendly. Changing maps on the fly, doing minor adjustments on the fly, logging etc. If you get a mount you can use the AP as a gauge for Water temp, boost, egt.
Also... not sure if you guys know this but this is what Christian told me. If you move your front o2 sensor (the one in the header) to the downpipe and read the AFRs it should be accurate at WOT instead of just idle and cruise, and you can tune with it. I have mine right after the turbo and it seems pretty in-line with my wide band. So its thats true you dont need to spend $200 on a wideband. (Im assuming you cant just move it and have things be okay, youd probably need a tune for it). |
02-08-2010, 10:11 AM | #25 |
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