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12-10-2012, 10:55 AM | #1 | |
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Volkswagen Unveils WRC Polo, Plus a Street-Legal Version
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12-10-2012, 11:28 AM | #2 |
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12-10-2012, 12:16 PM | #3 |
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Wow that will be a fun little CAR!!!
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12-10-2012, 01:10 PM | #4 |
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Another front-wheel-drive "road going rally car".
The whole reason I was a Subaru fan in the first place was because they offered something very similar to their rally cars for the street, same with Mitsubishi. Turbo four banger with AWD and bodywork without the stickers. It just seems ass-backwards to give us a car with graphics and a badge but not the drivetrain. |
12-10-2012, 01:22 PM | #5 |
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So lets see,
I bought into the Impreza RS due to its connection with the WRC and the cool looks. Now I own a 2013 Golf R for the looks and performance and would you lookie here, VW now has a legitamate Rally connection... Yeah me... |
12-10-2012, 01:37 PM | #6 | |
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12-10-2012, 01:44 PM | #7 |
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Agree on the Brotatoe comment.
Back in the 2000-2002 days, nobody would have ever even dared mention putting air bags on a WRX. |
12-10-2012, 01:55 PM | #8 |
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God dammit. I wish VW would just bring the Polo GTI state side. The Fiesta ST is too boy racerish for me, the Fiat 500 Abarth has too many plastic bits and pieces for something north of the $20K mark, and the Mini has the BMW bait-and-rape pricing.
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12-10-2012, 02:33 PM | #9 |
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no mechanical diff no care....
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12-10-2012, 02:43 PM | #10 |
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The stickers say "race" but the brakes say "commute".
This car appears to be transgendered. If that's at all possible... |
12-10-2012, 04:34 PM | #11 |
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No anti-lag no care or something.
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12-10-2012, 06:48 PM | #12 |
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12-10-2012, 07:12 PM | #13 |
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Golf R? Me jelly. But I will test drive the Fiesta ST, at minimum. |
12-10-2012, 11:46 PM | #14 | |
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There is no decline of the Impreza. 184% sales increase YTD ending November. You need to think differently now about the "race" side of Subaru. It won't be them taking a "passenger" car and building it up. They will return. Remember what they said about the new WRX/STI. They are building it to win at motorsports. Will it? I can't wait to see..... |
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12-11-2012, 12:19 AM | #15 |
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12-11-2012, 12:24 AM | #16 |
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12-11-2012, 12:49 AM | #17 | |
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no, but there is no car for the WRC, the new Impreza is too big (like the old one), and there isn´t a turbocharged model.
You don´t invest big bucks in a car at the end of the production like the current STI. Subaru won the 24 hours at the Nürburgring two times in a row with a JDM STI (class winner SP3T) The Toyota GT86 won both classes (V3 and SP3) this year at the Ring. The BRZ GT 300 was a desaster what´s left? http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...c-entries.html Quote:
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12-11-2012, 08:11 AM | #18 |
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Well any motor sport is good, as it can be used to improve the breed. And subaru is one of the very few companies that actually try to do this. So I will NOT poo poo any motorsports that subaru participates in (except X games which is moronic)
Subaru needs to be in WTCC as far as I am concerned, it attracts a more affluent audience and is seen on the WORLD stage. Rallying as cool as it is (and it is FREAKISHLY cool) seems to be a more niche customer base. Subaru has not eluded to its rally heritage in a long time (racing around a wet underpass). The days of that blue bugeye running around the dirt in that commercial are long gone (sad face) JustyWRC, I really like it when you post things about Subaru. I take your words with much more weight than most. And I thank you for any insight you give us on what is coming Let me make one thing clear. I was torn very hard on my decision between buying a 2013 STI or a 2013 Golf R. It took me months of soul searching and test drives. I will only give my reasons as it may pertain to others comparing small sporty cars with an 'R' products from VW. I had a 2011 WRX that was pretty good out of the box(that I sold back in march), but it needed help in key areas. So to get it where I liked it, I went stage II COBB, sways, new wheels and tires, new brake pads, DOT4 fluid, and a short shifter. Then it felt like the car it needed to be. It was just about perfect (brakes still marginal but I could live with them) When I got behind the wheel of the 2013 STI, it felt very much like the exact car I already had. But the STI can be made whatever you want. I could have made it as fast as as brutal as anything I could dream up. But this was my daily driver, and when I looked at the interior of the STI, it was just very economy car. Which is okay. It was GOOD economy car but still felt less like 36000 dollars. THe ride was a tad harsh (thinking of hauling around my wife and two kids) but that is price you pay for the amazing handling. Then came the R product from VW. I have avoided VW products like the plague for years, hell my lifetime. But the draw was too strong. I could get the R loaded with literally EVERYTHING imaginable for less than the spartan STI. Was it dynamically the equal of the STI, heck no, but this may surprise you. It drove very well and dynamically it is not leaving much on the table that a set of decent summer tires would not fix. The golf R is the car I WANTED subaru to make. A car with WRX capabilities, but with a nicer interior and a decent set tech package. For the first time in 12 years Subaru did not have the car I needed and wanted to buy. A well appointed 4 door with a manual that is quick and fun to drive. What I wanted was a spec B legacy GT. And I would have paid 40k for it without any heartburn at all. Now back on topic. If the polo R is anything like the Golf R, it will be a great mix of German solidity, firm but never jarring ride, that has great turn in and puts power down wonderfully. It will have simply stunning seats and materials inside with a great stereo. It will pamper the owner with user friendly tech and a very good climate control. It will do this all while being a total blast to drive. DEX and Skylab. I have an entire thread about purchasing my Golf R with a more in depth review of it. If you can wade through all the VW hate in the thread, I give many impressions about it and how happy I am with the car. NO regrets AT ALL. But here are the cliff notes: Both the Golf R and the STI are extremely capable of going VERY fast on any road in the world. The STI leans more toward all out race car speed and dynamics The Golf R leans more toward being sophisticated while maintaining incredible dynamics Both can be made whatever you want them to be with tuning. With that in mind, it boils down to this. I can make a Golf R a great track car (the ESC can be defeated totally now) but I will not as it is meant to be a very fast DD, not a track rat. If I wanted a track rat I would have bought the STI. I cannot make the STI more sophisticated and more upscale. It will be faster on the track, but the reality is, I spend 2-3 days a year on the track for about 60 minutes a day. I spend the other 363 days a year driving the car on the street. know thyself, be true to thyself, then buy the right car. The Golf R was that car for me. Lets hope subaru offers something similar in the future. Last edited by SCRAPPYDO; 12-11-2012 at 08:20 AM. |
12-11-2012, 08:52 AM | #19 |
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Do you remember them saying they were returning to WRC? I remember reading somewhere that they were interested in getting back into motorsports, but not qualifying which motorsport. An all out attack on road racing would be interesting.
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12-11-2012, 09:08 AM | #20 |
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I believe the wording was "Back into motorspots", but they did also indicate tehy would be returning to rally. They just didn't say the front-line WRC. It might be Group N again.
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12-11-2012, 12:52 PM | #21 | |
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I was under the impression the new WRX/STI will NOT be based on the Impreza. I have enjoyed driving the VWs they have at our training events. Fahrvergnugen(I had to look that up) all day long. My only issue with them is their reliability. Also the dealer here for them has a really bad reputation. |
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12-11-2012, 01:03 PM | #22 | |
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show me the person who really knows A WRX or STI was always based on an Impreza. It doesn´t make sense using the term WRX or STI for a complete new car. And a smaller car than an Impreza, but with more power than an Impreza makes much lesser than zero sense. There is a smaller car, the BRZ, we all know that this car isn´t capable for AWD, so this car will never be a winner as a Rally car, agreed? Subaru´s portfolio is now limited to Motorsport like WTCC. |
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12-11-2012, 01:14 PM | #23 |
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Maybe not WRC but in some two wheel divisions who knows. Subaru designed the BRZ off a modified Impreza frame. Who says they can't/won't use another modified frame and create a smaller than Impreza WRX/STI...not you or me. |
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12-11-2012, 03:23 PM | #25 | |
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You do realize that "STI" has been put on MANY models over the years? Impreza, Legacy, Forester, Exiga. Shoot. They even backed a Vivio WRC car. Subaru has been rethinking a lot of things the past few years. Why couldn't they use the term WRX or STI for a completely new car? Heck. They might even give it a new name. |
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