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12-28-2012, 11:29 AM | #226 |
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actually two points I want to make
The first is you have to be doing something rather extreme to get the stability control to even activate it. I went playing on wet roads late last night and it did not kick in at all, so for a Daily Driver, people are making WAAAAY too much out of not being able to defeat the stability control on US spec Golf R's. The second is if you have a 30 minutes and a VAG COM cable, you can change 4 little numbers on your ECU and get the full functionality of the of the 2 mode ESC the rest of the world gets in THIER Golf R's. Meaning... Press it once and you enter sport mode to allow more slip Press it and hold it and you disable the ESC completely I do not know why VW did not give us this from the factory, but modifying the US spec Golf R to make it exactly like the rest of the world's Golf R's can be done in the time it takes you to drink a cup of coffee. NO biggie.
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12-28-2012, 11:35 AM | #227 |
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You yourself said that your Golf R is a "track toy."
My car in daily driving feels like a super capable machine. But when I take it to the track and REALLY drive it, the shortcomings become apparent. I think it is ridiculous that I would need to start fiddling with the ECU on a brand new car that is "supposed" to be the hot model... . |
12-28-2012, 12:07 PM | #228 |
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The non-defeat ESC in my slow VW still makes for frowns. Slow-mo fake rallying on snow covered surfaces is impossible. Or at least unpleasant. Thankfully I can turn the TC off and get out of my parking spot at the end of the day, unlike my buddy in his '11 Jetta 2.5.
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12-28-2012, 12:07 PM | #229 | |
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Great feedback, thanks for sharing. I have a couple of questions, and am not sure if you can answer them.
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12-28-2012, 12:07 PM | #230 |
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Well, since I do not race for money, I really do not care. I will probably NOT mess with mine. If that costs me a second or two who cares. The point of track days is to have fun and learn to drive the car. Stability control or not makes no difference. If it comes on when I take it to the track, who cares. Most Golf R owners have found out that the ESC light only kicks in if you drive like a hamfisted fool. If you drive smooth, you will never see it. So again, the golf is a Daily driver first and track toy a distant second.
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12-28-2012, 12:16 PM | #231 | |
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I wager if I wanted to flash my cars ESC (which I do not) I could do it much faster than you could change fluid and pads... The big differernce here is the ESC on the Golf R will let you drive on a track all day, the brakes on a WRX will die after a short stint. Again, my Golf R is a daily driver, and I have yet to see the stability control come on in its daily driving duties. |
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12-28-2012, 12:18 PM | #232 | |
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On the second point, I can tell you for certain, with TC/ESC off, the brake vectoring is still working all the time to help you out. But you can roast tires around every tight corner if you like. |
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12-28-2012, 06:43 PM | #233 |
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The ST got shellacked by the BRZ around VIR. Invisi troll! |
12-28-2012, 08:23 PM | #234 |
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That actually surprises me quite a bit.
Was the BRZ using factory tires? |
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12-28-2012, 09:09 PM | #237 |
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Focus ST 3:21.4
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12-28-2012, 09:19 PM | #238 |
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I'm shocked a rwd that weighs 500lbs less was quicker than a fwd on a road course!
Good for the BRZ, that's about all it has going for it. |
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Yea I caught this earlier today on bimmerpost, pretty unimpressive for the ST, what the heck? And Camaro, holy
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12-28-2012, 09:21 PM | #240 |
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I bet both were fun as hell.
And in the end, isn't that what really matters. What do the BRZ guys think that a charger was quicker.. HAAH, I hate that darn car, and if all you care about is the lap times, then you should all sell your BRZ's and ST's and buy Chargers.. When will lap times stop being held as the most important metric |
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I do hope to get a BRZ/FR-S soon, though, as my weekend car. |
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I don't know what's worse- beating a Focus ST by only 2.8 seconds, or knowing that a potential police cruiser is capable of finishing ahead of my sports coupe around VIR.
Disclaimer: I love the BRZ and know its tires suck. |
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12-29-2012, 10:50 AM | #248 | |
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Mind blowing. And yeah, getting beat by a Charger, V8 or not, around a racetrack? (Snicker) I guess I could use the same logic to discount the BRZs superiority over the ST, since the BRZ is faster than the ST in a straight line too, but I won't. At any rate, if you're choosing one of these cars based on lap time, you're missing the point. |
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I don't buy cars on track times. My MINI S is unlikely to come close to any of these cars on a track but it is still a blast to drive and it makes me smile. Yup, a portly V8 charger will ape rape my MINI around any given track except for the tightest of auto-x courses, but I'd chose my MINI every single day. I also find these lap times amusing because the ST is OT's latest hotness. OT keeps telling me that the BRZ is just an underpowered, not-that-light, smaller, RWD Impreza. |
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