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Old 08-29-2003, 01:04 PM   #1
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Question uppipe install: jacking up engine?

I've been going over the install of an uppipe(I bought one for 45 shipped and gutted it myself ) and I know it involves raising the engine a few inches to get the pipe in there. I have no clue how this would be done... can you do this with a floor jack or do you need a gurney of some kind to raise it? I've nver attempted this before and I want to be sure I know what I'm doing.

Duhhhhhh.......

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Old 08-29-2003, 01:06 PM   #2
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I placed a phone book on my jack and jacked up the engine from the oil pan.

It was my first major install and luckily I had someone with a lot of experiece there to help.
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Old 08-29-2003, 01:12 PM   #3
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I didn't jack the motor up, follow the link below for instructions.

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Old 08-29-2003, 01:14 PM   #4
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step 11 of your instructions states to jack up the engine 2 inches.
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Old 08-29-2003, 01:25 PM   #5
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Take the turbo out.

Instructions here: TXS Uppipe
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Old 08-29-2003, 01:34 PM   #6
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Taking the turbo out is another alternative, but I heard it's a lot more of a PITA.
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Old 08-29-2003, 01:56 PM   #7
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yes it is. The difference is a lot more hours using the turbo method.
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Old 08-29-2003, 04:30 PM   #8
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No need to take the turbo out unless you're replacing it (the turbo that is). you can actually take the up pipe out from above
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Old 08-29-2003, 04:58 PM   #9
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just jack the engine up its a hell of a lot easier..i was a little worried about doing it at first, but it was fine... just put a 2x4 or something between the jack and the oil pan..and lift 2-4 inches..
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Old 08-29-2003, 05:36 PM   #10
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Glad that all of you were able to jack the engine up. Mine wouldn't let loose of the mounting points. I found myself trying to shake the engine loose while raising with a 2x4 on the jack -- not exactly the safest of propositions.

So, instead of continuing with unsafe practices, I removed the turbo. It was a learning experience that I am glad to have accomplished.

Anyway - whatever works for you.
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Old 08-29-2003, 06:19 PM   #11
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Glad that all of you were able to jack the engine up. Mine wouldn't let loose of the mounting points. I found myself trying to shake the engine loose while raising with a 2x4 on the jack -- not exactly the safest of propositions.

So, instead of continuing with unsafe practices, I removed the turbo. It was a learning experience that I am glad to have accomplished.

Anyway - whatever works for you.
Did you remove a motor mount and it still wouldn't raise up?
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Old 08-29-2003, 06:45 PM   #12
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No, just undid the fasteners. Maybe I misunderstand, but how can you remove the motor mount if you can't raise the engine in the first place?

Anyway, I followed the Vishnu and Perrin directions. Wasted a lot of time. After searching NASIOC, I found that I am not the only one to have that issue.

With the car on jackstands, and a floor jack w/ 2x4 on the oil pan, it didn't seem like the safest thing to screw around with.

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Did you remove a motor mount and it still wouldn't raise up?
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Old 08-29-2003, 06:56 PM   #13
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There is one stud coming from the motor mount through the subframe on each side. Its right "under" (over depending upon your point of view) the front sway bar. Just undo the passenger side one, and the engine will come right up with a jack.

Don't undo the turbo - you have coolant to mess with, another oil line, etc....
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Old 08-29-2003, 07:16 PM   #14
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Ya what he said^^
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Old 08-29-2003, 10:30 PM   #15
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Ya what he said^^
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Yep. What he said. Too bad the motor didn't budge. The entire car starting lifting off my jackstands. So, plan (b), remove the turbo instead.

And what is so hard about undoing the coolant line? Not difficult at all. The only aggravating part was reinstalling the oil line in the back of the turbo. Of course, once you get the hang of it, doesn't take much time at all.

Anyway - remember that TurboXS actually recommends removing the turbo to install the uppipe, rather than jacking the engine.

- shrug - I'm not recommending one way or the other. Whatever floats your boat. Just relaying some information that one size does not fit all.
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Old 08-29-2003, 11:17 PM   #16
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Make sure when you remove the nut from the stud you use a 6 sided socket and not a 12 sided. You'll round the nut off.
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Old 08-30-2003, 04:14 PM   #17
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Ya.. I did "what he said too" (actually, I'm in the middle of doing) and the jack just lifted the car. Even removed the nut on the driver's side mount. No change. I know I'm missing something. What's the trick? I'm not too down with dealing with the coolant right now.



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Old 08-30-2003, 05:03 PM   #18
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A few items on lifting the engine:

1. I also loosened the center brace going from the firewall to the engine underneath the intercooler. Pain in the butt removing the intercooler to get to this, but it helps. Remove the bolt on the engine end, lift tha brace up and put the bolt back in so the brace rides across the mounting point instead of dropping back in and catching.

2. Be very sure that the jack is only lifting the oil pan. The frame cross member is 1/2 inch away and is easy to get by mistake. I get under the car and look all around the lifting pad to make sure the jack isn't lifting anything else.

3. I also loosened the nuts going from the down pipe to the next exhaust piece. Maybe not necessary, but allows more flex.

With the engine mount to frame nuts loose and the above items done, the engine can't help but be lifted.

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Old 08-30-2003, 05:04 PM   #19
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Jack up the engine near the passenger side head. The middle will usually just lift the car.
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Old 08-30-2003, 05:05 PM   #20
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Oh, and one other thing:

If your car is sitting on ramps, the car will lift as the engine weight is removed. Once you get to a certain height though, the engine will continue up without the rest of the car.

If the car is supported with jack stands, the car won't lift.

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Old 08-30-2003, 05:17 PM   #21
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Well, the car is up on ramps. So I'll take your word for it, since I got it to go by just letting it lift the car a few inches. After that the engine finally started to go up seperately. I also disconnected the pitchstop. Thanks.
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Old 08-30-2003, 05:21 PM   #22
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I have to clarify my earlier post - my front wheels were on ramps, and the rear wheels were on jackstands. I can see how the energy stored within the springs may have made things more difficult when trying to raise the engine. Hmmm . . .

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If your car is sitting on ramps, the car will lift as the engine weight is removed. Once you get to a certain height though, the engine will continue up without the rest of the car.

If the car is supported with jack stands, the car won't lift.
Nevertheless, I don't regret learning how to remove/install the turbo. The only thing I regret was the wasted time trying to break the engine loose from the mounts. And figuring out how to get the oil line hose reconnected (ScoobyMods helped). And learning (the hard way) how to burp coolant (eye-club helped, back when this forum was named such). Too bad there are no definitive posts describing ALL the pitfalls, tips, and tricks.

Good luck Macabre!
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Old 08-30-2003, 09:04 PM   #23
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All done.. now just to keep my fingers crossed for no leaks..

So to get back on topic.. yes you can do it with a floor jack, if it starts lifting the car just keep going. :-)
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Old 09-02-2003, 11:18 AM   #24
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Cool I guess this was a good qestion

Sweet. Thanks for the info guys. I'm a lot more confident I can do this myself... if given a long weekend purhaps

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