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10-11-2012, 03:02 PM | #176 |
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Agreed! They were too young/crazy/stupid to handle themselves yet they had to pass the limits of physics with an STi...... poor STi.
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10-11-2012, 03:22 PM | #177 | |
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10-11-2012, 04:35 PM | #178 | |
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I love old people who think in absolutes and categorizes all young people as wreckless drivers. Just to let you know, there are plenty of responsible drivers in university car clubs that are young with fast cars, some obtained with financial help |
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10-11-2012, 05:49 PM | #179 | |
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http://www.dmv.ny.gov/youngerdriver/grad-longisland.htm 1) he had a learners permit and was not under direct supervision of a licensed driver age 21 or older. 2) In NY State a teen with a learners permit cannot drive after 9pm. 3) He was restricted to carrying no more than one other passenger under the age of 18, who was not a family member, until he turned 18 (unless he was being directly supervised by a parent or driving instructor 21 or older). He could not have received an unrestricted license until he turned 18, but that is moot because he didn't have even his Junior License. His parents will probably also be legally liable, for not supervising him. But specifically this case, his legal problems are just beginning. He will be go to jail and owe a lot of money. Not a good way to start your life off, post high school. Other than that, I agree that an STI is too much car for a teen. Statistics don't lie, and the fact that so many teens drive so badly when other teens are in the car are the reason for the NY State graduated licensing law. Last edited by Zeeper; 10-12-2012 at 07:44 AM. |
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10-11-2012, 08:11 PM | #180 | |
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10-11-2012, 09:00 PM | #181 |
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I guess we can just wait and see what the charges are. I live in NY State and I can pretty much guarantee the DA is already prepping the papers. The toxicology tests will be released, and his only saving grace is he is 17, but that does not mean they won't seek to try him as an adult.
Maybe 10 years ago he would have gotten off easy for this "accident", but times and laws have changed a lot in the past few years. Last edited by Zeeper; 10-12-2012 at 07:45 AM. |
10-11-2012, 09:32 PM | #182 | |
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10-11-2012, 10:32 PM | #183 | |
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Beyond the potential prison time, you gotta wonder how messed up that kid is gonna be knowing the death of 4 people are on him. Regardless of his stupidity he doesn't deserve that haunting him. |
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10-11-2012, 11:05 PM | #184 |
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Sad story indeed, but this is why we shouldn't give little kids fast cars..
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10-11-2012, 11:56 PM | #185 | |
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10-12-2012, 03:30 AM | #186 | |
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It wasn't an "accident " of how stupid he was being. He "may" not have been able to comprehend the consequences of his actions due to inexperience. But he didn't roll his sti into the trees and kill 4 of his friends at 45mph due to poor road conditions. He chose to sneak out late at night, pick up his buds, and drive like an idiot at speeds multiple times the limit. The moment he decided to break the rules he was asking for trouble. No accident. |
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10-12-2012, 07:07 AM | #187 |
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That specific spot where he wrecked is extremly dangerous anything above the speed limit. The road dips and as it comes up it goes into a pretty nasty turn. If you take it at high speeds from the inside lane, chances are your not going to understeer like everyone does. Motorcycles barely make it at higher speeds. I blame the parent more than the driver as hes only a kid with a learners permit. What the hell did the parents think a kid with a sports car would do? As ive discussed many times at meets, ignorant people think these "AWD" vehicles are gods gift to the road. Awd doesnt compensate for stupidity. Yes the summer tires dont help especially with a small layer of ice on the ground. Too bad all the driver did was kill everyone else. As we used to say in the military. Its never you, its always the ones around you that gets killed cuz of your stupidity.
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10-12-2012, 08:43 AM | #188 |
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Check out page 4, from the insurance institute for highway safety, on the stats they found based on teen drivers with sports cars...also talks about motorcylces.
http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4610.pdf "Midsize sports cars have the third highest ratio of teen (16-19) to primeage-driver (35-60) claim rates and the highest among automobiles. Their teen claim frequency of 14.9 is 2.5 times the rate for prime-age drivers." |
10-12-2012, 09:22 AM | #189 |
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Everyone's input here is right in their own sense and point of view. Most of us if not all of us did stupid things when we first started to drive. My first car was/is a 2000 Acura TL ( 3.2L V6 225HP) while it is only a FWD car it still had enough to get me in trouble. Even if I was mature a young individuals mindset is to go fast.
Compared to a lot more of my friends and people I went to school with I was mature for my age. I had my fair share of stupid moments and going fast but you live and learn as you get older and learn from mistakes. While I may only be 21 I have definitely gotten more experience behind the wheel bust still nowhere near an expert. I have respect for the car and the road and while we all like to go fast we need to know the limits and refrain from being pressured into doing something. As much as I always wanted to move into something bigger and better and while my first car was less of a beater than others, I have to work for my next car and will be purchasing a WRX in March for graduation present . Like others have said, parents should get their kids a used car that they can get used to and learn from and when they can afford it they can buy something they truly want because they will be more grateful rather than being given something and it will be much more rewarding knowing that you have worked so hard for such a great reward. |
10-12-2012, 09:36 AM | #190 |
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Take a look at all the Toxicologist, Crime Scene investigators, Accident investigators and experts we have. How about we just all express our condolences for the families and friends and wait for an investigation before we come to conclusions. Besides regardless if you buy your kids a WRX or a Ford Pinto, If you are not careful and respect the road the same thing would happen.
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10-12-2012, 09:55 AM | #191 |
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Out of all those kids, only one looked like a decent human being not a Jersey Shore hopeful, rich kids too... I can't really feel bad, I feel worse for the car there goes $40,000 in a flash because pounding beers in a high power car seemed cool at the time. S**t like this pisses me off instead of evoking sadness.
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10-12-2012, 10:34 AM | #192 | |
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There are plenty of responsible (not reckless drivers) young drivers, just not EXPERIENCED. When everyone starts driving, no one just KNOWS everything thus it's a much greater chance that they would get into a car accident. Sadly though, my "plenty" guess for the amount of responsible young drivers with fast cars is at about 20-50%. It is a problem more than half the time, but you cant just assume ALL kids are like that. BTW my buddy just got into a minor accident, fast car, but wasn't driving recklessly. Didn't see a stop sign. I think a good amount of what you account for as kids driven by testosterone is actually just inexperienced drivers. |
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To take a Subaru with it's modern, highly touted and accolated OEM safety cage and split it in 1/2 requires quite a bit of 'talent' and speed. Logic therefore dicates the speeds he had to be going to accompolish such a feat are in the very least in triple digits. Quote:
Agreed. The driver doing 100+ mph at 3am on wet roads, when by all intents and purposes he shouldn't have even been behind the wheel at the time was not an accident. The end result of his choices (in the trees and 4 dead) however, is by definition, an accident. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accident Quote:
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10-12-2012, 10:40 AM | #194 | |
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There is no evidence he had acohol in his system... yet. Jeebus people. Reading comprehension ain't that hard. --kC |
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10-12-2012, 11:26 AM | #195 | |
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His name is Beer, its in his family, in his blood. No matter what beer is always in his blood, damn raging alcoholic. /endsarcasm |
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10-12-2012, 11:33 AM | #196 |
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10-12-2012, 11:37 AM | #197 |
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Sorry for not catching it I breezed through it. I see "The car, which Beer had been given for graduating early-" I see that and think someone bought them beer for the ride. Just waking up and reading this is hard to distinguish a rational idea of whats going on....
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10-12-2012, 12:27 PM | #198 |
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10-12-2012, 01:37 PM | #199 | |
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10-12-2012, 01:46 PM | #200 | |
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