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05-10-2013, 12:10 PM | #3126 | |
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05-10-2013, 12:20 PM | #3127 | |
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05-10-2013, 01:09 PM | #3128 | |
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That said, we really need a 2015 Forester STI with the STI 6 speed manual, some limited slip diffs (clutch-type rear, please) and a bigger turbo. I think the performance hatch enthusiasts on NASIOC would flock to it. |
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05-10-2013, 01:29 PM | #3129 |
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I know that I set mine like that to see. I'm talking about the distance of the back of the plate to the xt bumper. I was scared it would be too short since the xt bumper sticks out longer. aka needs a longer tow hook. |
05-10-2013, 01:29 PM | #3130 |
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05-10-2013, 01:29 PM | #3131 |
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05-11-2013, 03:04 AM | #3132 |
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I'm a little bummed that the xt doesn't come with a manual gearbox, but it makes sense. The target buyer, for the Forester, probably wants an auto or cvt. Hopefully the cvt handles the turbo motor's power well enough to last awhile.
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05-11-2013, 11:13 AM | #3133 |
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I have ZERO desire to row gears in our FXT. None. Nada.
It's not a sports car, it's a CUV. The CVT does a great job. I will never autoX, drag race or rock crawl with this heavy thing though either. |
05-11-2013, 12:47 PM | #3134 | |
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05-11-2013, 01:43 PM | #3135 |
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As far as sweet spots for the engine, the HTCVT does the job very well. If enthusiasts want a manual turbocharged Forester XT, they'll have to settle for a tranmissions swap or import the Forester STi from Australia, Japan, or Russia. ;D SoA doesn't believe you guys are worth bringing over a manual Forester XT.
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05-11-2013, 05:46 PM | #3136 | |
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05-11-2013, 05:54 PM | #3137 |
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05-11-2013, 06:19 PM | #3138 | |
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I drove the new 2014 XT the other day and was very impressed. The CVT is great and paddle shifters make it fun-ner when needed. I like manuals, but why everyone wants it on everything. It doesn't make sense on the Forester. |
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05-12-2013, 11:41 AM | #3139 |
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Does anyone think your car is a bmw because the wheels look like x5 wheels lol?
The dealership tried to get into the x5 thinking it was my forester lol new ny vanity plates maybe I won't be mistaken now by some subie guys at least |
05-13-2013, 09:03 AM | #3140 |
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05-13-2013, 09:26 AM | #3141 |
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Take up rate on the Forester XT when it was offered with a manual was about 5%. Obviously it wasn't an STI variant like you're speculating about, but if nobody bought them then, I highly doubt anybody would buy a manual Forester XT now, especially with manuals becoming less and less popular.
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05-13-2013, 09:43 AM | #3142 | |
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05-13-2013, 09:53 AM | #3143 |
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05-13-2013, 10:21 AM | #3144 | |
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The new WRX is not going to be available as a hatch... so a high performance Forester with a manual would sell considerably better than before. |
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05-13-2013, 01:31 PM | #3145 | |
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How would the take rate change or increase if Subaru dropped the 2.5i MT and opted for a "performance" Forester 2.0DIT with a MT? My guess it might increase because there is nothing else like it in the market. Also, the old Forester XT MT didn't sell because not too many people knew about it or didn't acknowledge the Forester because it was smaller and unconventional in terms of other small SUVs on the market at the time. The SH Forester changed that image for Subaru and is actually on par with competitors. The landscape has changed a lot for Subaru in terms of public acknowledgement. Last edited by subyski; 05-13-2013 at 01:37 PM. |
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05-13-2013, 06:33 PM | #3146 |
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Because the take rate of sporty CUVs is just so lowwwwww.
Not like there is an Explorer twin turbo. Or a Range Rover Evoque or Range Rover Sport, which are somewhat redundant with the less sporty Land Rovers that each are based on... Or an SRT Jeep Grand Cherokee. Not like there isn't a HOLE in the compact CUV segment that a sporty CUV could fill, if it could actually be sportier than RAV4 V6, or Mazda CX5, with real hardware upgrades. The reasons above why FXT-5MT not competing with WRX or WRX STI, and Outback XT Limited, are valid. Most of those are gone or going. And a manual gearbox as part of a larger encompassing sport package, with big brakes, STI aluminum suspension arms, STI drivetrain (which, with 3 limited slip diffs, and a robust transaxle, might actually be surprisingly good off road with some ride height and suspension articulation) And a visual package that actually makes it look the part of being a special model, (unlike Legacy GT and Spec.B which looked like 2.5i models, with a scoop and +1 or +2 wheels) it might actually be compelling. The only ones calling for manual gearboxes anymore are enthusiasts. Economy buyers aren't even asking much for them anymore... but imagine taking a 6-speed option away from a WRX STI buyer, and leaving them with a CVT only. IF WRX STI is going to be sedan only Forester has yet another opportunity to step into that gap, as the 5-door goes away, just as it had the opportunity to become more sophisticated when Outback XT went away, but it didn't really capitalize on it. Forester XTI, with real credibility, not just a lip-service hollow weaksauce effort, even as a 500-1000 unit special model, like Spec.B was, would generate some excitement, along side of, not instead of WRX STI. |
05-13-2013, 08:01 PM | #3147 |
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Subaru wouldn't make a dime on them, even at $45K. In fact they'd lose big on each one with the R&D, tooling etc. So it would be an expensive, sacrificial stunt by a company that doesn't need to do it. Lets all convince Subaru they need to lose a lot of money.
It's not an SRT. It doesn't have the same buyers. And the people that would want it, couldn't afford it. And they'd still bitch n moan about it. |
05-14-2013, 12:22 AM | #3148 |
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It doesn't have to be this $45k STI padded Forester. Sure at that price, it would be a lost cause. I think a 5 or 6MT option in the current 2.0DIT would fit the bill quite nicely, especially if a turbo hatch is not offered and they are going to develop the new WRX drivetrain. I can't believe the profit margin is huge for the STI anyways nor the XV mild hybrid. But it's done for reputation and marketing.
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05-14-2013, 01:15 AM | #3149 | |
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I'd love to see Toyota Venza sales numbers along with any other wagon sold in the USDM. I want our Outback XT and Legacy GT back =\. |
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05-14-2013, 10:16 AM | #3150 |
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Still, nobody would buy a new Forester XT with a 5 or 6 speed manual transmission, just as nobody bought Legacy GT wagons with manual transmissions, even though Americans pleaded for them, then never bought them. It's a dying, or more precisely, a completely dead market and Subaru is aware of this. We only have ourselves to blame. |
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