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Old 08-30-2012, 08:22 PM   #1151
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its just the cheezy 1970's-looking non-sealed battery. just looks cheap.
I actually prefer non-sealed batteries. I'd rather keep an eye on the water level.

It's funny--the battery that came in my MK6 TDI had this great big sticker over the top of it, which gave it the appearance of being a sealed battery. People on TDI forums discovered that it was actually a non-sealed battery, and if you didn't peel off the label and check your water levels, the battery dried out and died prematurely.

I'll take a non-sealed over a sealed battery any day.
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Old 08-30-2012, 09:19 PM   #1152
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They're 16" Yoko Avids.
They get a lot of bashing on this forum but for oem, I'm not complaining. There are plenty worse things to complain about.
I AM kind of excited to get the WeatherTech mats. $187 on Ebay direct from the manufacturer. That was with free shipping and now includes a mat that covers both sides of the rear floor and the "hump". I may go as far as even finding a cheap oem rear cargo area rubber mat on ebay asa well.
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Old 08-30-2012, 09:47 PM   #1153
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The battery works fine- and probably will last for years. Japanese Yuasa batteries last 3-4 times as long as Pa made Yuasa's. But it does look like something out of a vega or pinto.
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Old 08-31-2012, 02:37 AM   #1154
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Our 2007 battery lasted much longer than the one we used to replace it. I think it lasted a solid 3 years, the next one died around 2.5 years. We used a GOLD standard one this time with a warranty so we will see how things go.
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Old 08-31-2012, 06:36 AM   #1155
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They're 16" Yoko Avids.
They get a lot of bashing on this forum but for oem, I'm not complaining. There are plenty worse things to complain about.
I AM kind of excited to get the WeatherTech mats. $187 on Ebay direct from the manufacturer. That was with free shipping and now includes a mat that covers both sides of the rear floor and the "hump". I may go as far as even finding a cheap oem rear cargo area rubber mat on ebay asa well.
I think it is odd that you plan on dumping the car and yet you're dumping $187 on mats.

You could have just bought a couple of sets of the OEM all weather mats -- mine show no wear, someone here said their wife started to wear a set out, but you could just throw another set in.

IMHO you just threw that money away. If you spent it on oil you could delay trading in your car longer and take less of a hit financially on dumping the car.

That's my math.
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:39 AM   #1156
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Yadayadayada zeeper- my Redwings are destroying the delicate carpets. I work in a machine/fabrication shop. That little hump under the gas pedal, that isn't covered by the s h i t e oem mats.
After spending a bunch of money on the car, I may as well protect it till I can dump it.
I have seat covers over the cheap crappy seats too. Whoever ends up with thisa oil burning car will at least have a clean car. In my line of work $187 is cheaper than replacing the carpets, and our parking lot has been very muddy with all the rain.
I've wanted the Weather Tech's since I got the car. I may even tint the windows, possibly putting a cartoon character defacating on the subaru constellation in the back window
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:46 AM   #1157
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Plus- I can shampoo the carpet mats, and sell the Weather Tech's on Ebay when the car is gone. I bet a clean, used set would still get me $100+ on Ebay.

My beef with the oil burning really isn't centered on the cost of the top-off. Its the fact that roughly 99% of the cars DON'T burn any and mine and some others DO.
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:06 AM   #1158
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My beef with the oil burning really isn't centered on the cost of the top-off. Its the fact that roughly 99% of the cars DON'T burn any and mine and some others DO.
Agreed. I wouldn't like knowing that my car is outside the norm either.

Since you've decided to keep the car for awhile, have you also decided to experiment with other brands/weights of oil? My guess is that you're in the middle of an oil consumption test with Mastro, so you're waiting to see what that reveals.

Clearly, when they decide it's time to add/change your oil, they **won't** be using Mobil1.
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:26 AM   #1159
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They're starting the consumption test in a few thousand miles. Next service. So its Idemitsu 0w20 for a while. But I'm pretty sure its not burning nearly enough for soa to warrant any "fix". After the consumtion test, if I'm gonna be stuck in this for a while I Will try some Amsoil 5w30. But I still think that's just putting a band-aid on it, if it even helps.
If its true about the 2.5 ej having a quart per 3500 allowance, it sounds like a scam that the "new high tech" engine should be burning MORE, acceptably.
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:37 AM   #1160
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Correct me if I'm wrong--Didn't you do an oil change yourself already, and use Mobil1 at that time?

If so, then it will be interesting to see if RexyGirl's distrust of Mobil1 will make any difference, with your car showing less consumption when using the Idemitsu brand of oil. I'm guessing the dealership will stick with the 0W20 weight, so this will be a direct brand-to-brand comparison.
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:07 AM   #1161
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It had mobil1 in it for about a thousand miles +/-. It didn't consume any back in the early days. It started after around 6 or 7k on Subaru factory oil, which it has always had except for that breif time. I did a flush of all the factory fluids at 1200 or so. Then it had a dealer change at 3-3500 (I can't remember). It was waaaay over-filled and I logged a complaint with soa- because my engine was covered in oil. Since then, I've noticed oil consumption. Soa still hasn't answered any of my questions which were subitted long ago. They won't touch oil questions. Before I did that first change, I called soa to make sure that putting that oil in my car wouldn't hurt anything or void any warranty. They said it was fine.
So- the entire time, I have called and emailed soa and registered every problem with the car. I've strictly done everything subaru has told me, and have done nothing to void my warranty.
I think I may need to talk to soa about my window felt channels. Bill Bryans gorrillas tore my rubber up pretty good when they were looking at the window seals. I've given up on the door moisture. But I have pry marks all over parts of the window rubber.
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:14 AM   #1162
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Correct me if I'm wrong--Didn't you do an oil change yourself already, and use Mobil1 at that time?

If so, then it will be interesting to see if RexyGirl's distrust of Mobil1 will make any difference, with your car showing less consumption when using the Idemitsu brand of oil. I'm guessing the dealership will stick with the 0W20 weight, so this will be a direct brand-to-brand comparison.
Nevermind
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Old 08-31-2012, 02:24 PM   #1163
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They're starting the consumption test in a few thousand miles. Next service. So its Idemitsu 0w20 for a while. But I'm pretty sure its not burning nearly enough for soa to warrant any "fix". After the consumtion test, if I'm gonna be stuck in this for a while I Will try some Amsoil 5w30. But I still think that's just putting a band-aid on it, if it even helps.
If its true about the 2.5 ej having a quart per 3500 allowance, it sounds like a scam that the "new high tech" engine should be burning MORE, acceptably.
Your whole experience really scares me. I was close to getting a '12 Sport Limited but I think I'll wait to mid '13 and see how the new models do. Apparently same engine in the Crosstrek too. I'm 200 miles from a dealer. My '06 Baja hasn't had any mechanical issues period nor did my '02 Legacy.

Best wishes and please keep us filled in.
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Old 08-31-2012, 04:34 PM   #1164
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Will do, and thanks!
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Old 09-01-2012, 10:39 PM   #1165
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its just the cheezy 1970's-looking non-sealed battery. just looks cheap.
Do the US 2012 Imprezas have START/STOP ?

My battery was faulty requiring jump start when I first picked it up mine from the dealer with the recommendation to just drive the car for 1/2 and hour ??

After being stranded twice with road service jump starting it took it back to the Dealer where they advised the Battery was faulty and they trouble locating a replacement due its STOP / START requirement limiting their choice to only one type of battery.
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Old 09-02-2012, 01:12 AM   #1166
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US Imprezas do not have start/stop.
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Old 09-02-2012, 01:20 AM   #1167
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Your whole experience really scares me. I was close to getting a '12 Sport Limited but I think I'll wait to mid '13 and see how the new models do.
I wouldn't let it scare you by any means. There is a VERY SMALL sampling of those affected by this. & I don't think it's enough of an issue where Subaru is doing any re-design of the rings (seeing as how we don't know for certain that seating of said rings actually caused/contributed to this). I haven't seen any evidence of this or rumor of there being any changes on the 2013 engine/pistons/rings for this issue. At this point why not wait for 2013 anyhoo... but don't let THIS scare you into waiting.
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Well....if you live in Florida be scared....apparently it's SEVERE driving conditions...LOL.

It's way worse to drive in Ohio than Florida, trust me.

The thing that really makes me sad for 79....is that he went above and beyond the call of duty by replacing his fluids and everything and yet the dude gets a bummed car and practically gets yelled at for complaining.

Many other people get a car...don't change the oil, let alone other fluids. He really looked as if he wanted to treat it solid.

I know we have been late on oil changes, never done a flush of any kind....and never replaced the brake fluid/tranny fluid...nothing and the car runs fine. Then on the other scale...is someone who replaces the fluids at 1200, does early oil changes....then the dealer overfills the car creating a huge MESS......and then the car burns oil......it's ridiculous.

You start to wonder...if he had not done anything until 3500k.....if everything would be the same....or different? Just treated the car like we did.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:49 AM   #1169
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I think its just a percentages game. A certain percent of ALL cars made are lemons.
The fact that service tech's tell me things like "the foresters that come in are worse than the new imprezas about oil consaumption" makes me think the low-tension ring design may be harder to mass-produce properly with a higher percentage of copnsumption problems.
What scares me is the BRZ being "allowed" to burn 1.1 quarts in 600 miles. Do that math for a 7500mi OC interval and its REALLY pitiful how much you'd have to be burning to get replacement or work done.
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What scares me is the BRZ being "allowed" to burn 1.1 quarts in 600 miles.
In all honesty this seems to be a common response from all manufacturers these days, talking to a friend who bought a BMW K1300S Motorcycle new in 2009 when he complained that it was using 1 pint of oil per 1000miles was told this was in spec, thing is when he wanted this in writing because this would have made it unfit for purpose ( Touring ) which is what the salesman had sold it to him on in the first place, they wouldn't provide what they told him verbally in writing.

Another guy in the same conversation mentioned when his new GM V6 engine was using the same amount the GM Dealer told him the same thing and they all do it which he found out talking to other owners was a lie.

Seems a cop out to me where they just declare high oil usage " Normal " rather than admit there is a problem with that particular engine, would be great to actually have a Company chief engineer tell the truth about why there are such great variances from engine to engine.
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Old 09-03-2012, 01:37 PM   #1171
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In all honesty this seems to be a common response from all manufacturers these days, talking to a friend who bought a BMW K1300S Motorcycle new in 2009 when he complained that it was using 1 pint of oil per 1000miles was told this was in spec, thing is when he wanted this in writing because this would have made it unfit for purpose ( Touring ) which is what the salesman had sold it to him on in the first place, they wouldn't provide what they told him verbally in writing.

Another guy in the same conversation mentioned when his new GM V6 engine was using the same amount the GM Dealer told him the same thing and they all do it which he found out talking to other owners was a lie.

Seems a cop out to me where they just declare high oil usage " Normal " rather than admit there is a problem with that particular engine, would be great to actually have a Company chief engineer tell the truth about why there are such great variances from engine to engine.
From my experience, Most stealerships will tell you just about anything is "normal" or "in spec" to avoid a headache. Only when something actually fails or breaks will they do anything. Most of the time this doesn't happen until the car's warranty is up so you have to pay them thousands of dollars to fix something that should of been taken care of before that something broke in the first place.
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From my experience, Most stealerships will tell you just about anything is "normal" or "in spec" to avoid a headache. Only when something actually fails or breaks will they do anything. Most of the time this doesn't happen until the car's warranty is up so you have to pay them thousands of dollars to fix something that should of been taken care of before that something broke in the first place.
Unfortunately, it's not the 'stealership' that is saying this, in fact, quite the opposite. It's clearly written in the owners manual what is acceptable and what is not.

Contrary to what you think, not all dealerships make up crap to pass along to their customers. We are here to pass along proper information according to the manufacturer...i.e. Subaru.

While I might not agree with everything that is mentioned in the owners manual, it is my job to pass that information to customers, not make up crap as I go along.

Also, Subaru has been known to take care of something when a vehicle is well out of the warranty period....for whatever reason. Unfortunately, they can't see into the future (and neither can you), so they are not going to fix something that isn't broken. If it fails after the warranty period has expired and it was mentioned when the vehicle was still within warranty, then 9 times out of 10 it will get taken care of. If you have had an experience different than this, then I suggest you find another dealer.

There are dealers out there that should be called 'stealerships'. I would like to think that majority of them out there are not like that, including my own. If you come across a dealer that has treated you with disrespect or charged you for something that you think you shouldn't have been charged for, then you need to take your case to Subaru themselves.
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:32 AM   #1173
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I took my car in lat week due to the oil light problem. The light came on at 1200 and 5600 miles. Got a free oil change and they found the oil sensor was full of some kind of crap. Scheduled appt for Wednesday for install.
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From my experience, Most stealerships will tell you just about anything is "normal" or "in spec" to avoid a headache. Only when something actually fails or breaks will they do anything. Most of the time this doesn't happen until the car's warranty is up so you have to pay them thousands of dollars to fix something that should of been taken care of before that something broke in the first place.
Your mind goes to a bad place when your brand new car is flawed from the start, happened to us in 2000 when we bought a brand new Silver Nissan that had obvious shipping damage repaired but because I'd picked it up at night in the dark failed to spot it until the next day but could do nothing about it as they would only agree to respray the rear panel again. Hated that car and got rid of it 18months later and despite owning 3 Nissans previously would never buy another one ever again.
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Your mind goes to a bad place when your brand new car is flawed from the start, happened to us in 2000 when we bought a brand new Silver Nissan that had obvious shipping damage repaired but because I'd picked it up at night in the dark failed to spot it until the next day but could do nothing about it as they would only agree to respray the rear panel again. Hated that car and got rid of it 18months later and despite owning 3 Nissans previously would never buy another one ever again.
Wow...that's shady.
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