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09-05-2012, 05:44 PM | #451 |
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by that youtube clip i think this is gonna be a fun weekend.
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09-05-2012, 06:01 PM | #452 |
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rallycross always makes for a fun weekend.
and keep in mind that vid is from (arguably) the lowest-power car out there. The subies go faster (well, some of them) |
09-05-2012, 07:56 PM | #453 |
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09-05-2012, 11:14 PM | #454 |
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It's kind of funny - currently the largest class in the registered cars is MR, not one of the AWD classes. That's gotta be rare.
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09-06-2012, 12:05 AM | #455 | |
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The Dirty E30s need to pay homage to their forefather, Gary Lin, who still has the record for most rallyx finishes backwards. http://www.rallyracingnews.com/nepro...ts2-17-01.html |
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09-06-2012, 12:24 AM | #456 |
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09-06-2012, 06:47 AM | #457 |
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At OA we mowed a 2nd long course for our 1st national challenge, used parts of a course not often used. basically leave 1st parking area, go up hill to 2nd staged parking area, start was to the right. everybody loved but sebastian's real mini that had clearance issues.
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09-06-2012, 02:38 PM | #458 |
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09-06-2012, 02:50 PM | #459 |
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09-06-2012, 03:01 PM | #460 | |
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And I'm pretty sure the e30s in SR have the class locked up, since they're the only ones in it |
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09-06-2012, 08:24 PM | #461 |
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Why not just 2wd Production, 2wd modified, AWD production and AWD modified? Too many classes and its like autox. In 2wd, doesn't matter if you are pushing or pulling. Its a preference and there is no proof anywhere one has an advantage over another. Great example is Will Orders in Nissan Sylvia battling it RA 2wd championship this year w/ Chris Duplesis in the Fiesta. Should who has carpet really matter?
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09-06-2012, 09:11 PM | #462 |
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Problem there is that you put all 2WD cars together, then almost everyone goes to FWD - because for cheap you can easily find a beater 200+hp FWD car like an Integra or RSX....or then we have a mad influx of Civic hatches and CRXs to dominate, lol. WHereas for the RWD cars in "beater price" range you're not going to find much with anywhere near that power. We're the slowest, and that's ok. We have the most fun with the least speed. Sure there are exceptions to the rule (as you note above) depending on the venue, but at Summit FWD would have a major edge IMO....ESPECIALLY after the water truck goes through
Only reason I bought a RWD car is because I saw the class change from M2 to MR/MF. If it was still M2, I'd have bought a subaru. And If I hadn't gotten the e30, three other new members this year wouldn't be there in their e30s (because I talked them into it). Bottom line is that splitting the classes allows more people to play and be competitive. Now I totally agree on the carpet thing. I think that all classes should be able to ditch carpet....since rallycross means your carpet is going to be ruined anyhow. But then you get on the slippery slope of how much interior gutting people will want to do, etc. I also think that in most cases FWD cars are going to be faster than RWD, especially at Summit. Look at the times that Carl (in a stock old beat Probe) and Jim Kelly put up in SF this year - they put up times that would put them 3rd or 4th in Prepared AWD, and are like 5 seconds for run quicker than the SR cars. but moot point. The classes are what they are. I would be for just stock and modified classes with R, F, and A in each if they wanted to simplify. 4 total classes would be lame.....only a few people would have any shot at winning, and less people would come out. Because everyone wants to at least have a CHANCE to win. Last edited by irish44j; 09-06-2012 at 09:20 PM. |
09-06-2012, 09:13 PM | #463 |
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I think we're a LOOOOONG way off from the autocross classing craziness. What are there, like 30 classes?
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09-06-2012, 09:14 PM | #464 |
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On a side note: forecast for Sunday is starting to look great. 70s, overcast, little chance of rain. Saturday we might get wet, but it's a T&T so who cares.
The RWD guys are already planning to do a "race in reverse" if we're allowed to if it gets super muddy |
09-06-2012, 10:00 PM | #465 |
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That doesnt apply for all of us
If I end up first on this next event. I will get to 50 points and will secure my first place of the year. So I should be able to run MR the last two events.... although I wanted to run my RS one event to see how I compare now with the Golden duo.... But my windshield is cracked in two, and I have no cash to replace it at the moment. |
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When classing, have in mind that it is not the Mid-A what determines the classes. But every SCCA RallyX in the country follows those rules.
If you put stock and modified, there would be a great gap between cars on the modified class (although stock STIs are way above a stock 1.8L subby....) I do not know. It does help a bit to have more classes. Although I believe that given the small amount of cars at the rallycrosses, the classing should be by drivetrain (F,R,A) and then by power to weight ratio. Period. |
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That said, I'm down for P/W classing. That would put my 95hp heap in the slowest class instead of the (theoretically) fastest. Modified RWD locally is basically just "light prepared with no carpet" though. None of us is remotely close to what a "true" MR car would be built like. But that's what I love about rallycross - you don't need to build to the limits to do well (like you have to to be competitive in autocross).... |
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09-07-2012, 12:26 AM | #468 |
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I petition for a new class Sunday: the 70s-refrigerator-green 2L 5-speed 5-spoke-rims fart-cannon noob-driver class. I'm a wiener!
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This is all just for sake of discussion. I have no stake in any of this.
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We had rallyclasses for log-booked rallycars which were hauling around full cages and a load of additional weight. Maybe because SCCA sanctioned rallies then, lots more rallycars would show up at rallyxs. Not having both groups share membership has hurt both rallyx and stage rally. |
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09-07-2012, 02:17 PM | #470 |
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Dave, I wrote up a big counterpoint response to yours, but decided not to post it up because this could go on forever and I'd rather be driving than typing
And you have far more experience in rally than I do, so there would be no point in trying to defeat you in an argument about it anyhow Last edited by irish44j; 09-07-2012 at 02:26 PM. |
09-07-2012, 02:30 PM | #471 |
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t-storms be damned we're running tomorrow
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09-07-2012, 02:30 PM | #472 |
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Sorry, can't argue w/ any of that. Rally experience isn't rallyx experience though and I'm just a nerdy codriver.
Regarding you comparing your car to Spencer's, especially the "His I could brake later and harder, thus rotate better, and then get back up to speed much easier." part, sounds like you car may not stack up in suspension, diff, gearing, steering,... compared to his and not the power. Last edited by DCRallyDave; 09-07-2012 at 04:42 PM. |
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What I meant about his car is that with the additional power it is able to get out of the slow corners much faster than mine is. If you've ever driven a stock M10-powered e30 you'd know what I mean about it having very little get up and go. It could also have to do with my DD being 300+ hp so maybe it just feels like a turd to me, haha.... My suspension/brakes are (IMO) better than his overall (and my steering is definitely better)...though his snows probably have at least as good traction as my worn-out used rally tires. And I have way more stickers, which is the key factor here. But come drive mine a run tomorrow, I'd certainly like to see how you drive it and what you think of my budget setup one way or the other. Just don't blow it up....I need 3 more events out of this engine before I can swap in the M42. |
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