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08-07-2012, 06:58 AM | #801 | |
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Really? I think you cannot see how crazy that makes you look. Try to maintain some composure. From the Forester site, it looks like there were two waves of oil consumption issues. One was in 2010 (not an FB engine) that affected cars due to improperly bored valve guide holes (recalled under the TSB). The other wave was affecting 2011 FB engines. My limited research shows no 2012's in the mix. I am sure there is a small percentage of engines in 2012 Foresters that burn oil like yours seems to be doing (because all manufacturers produce a bad engine every once and a while -- you went to UTI, engines are complicated things). All manufacturers use the language in their owners manuals to cover their asses. If the manual states "normal" oil consumption as 1 quart every "X" number of miles, of course they are going to refuse to replace your car or engine if your car fits within that number. If they won't fix the issue, trade it in while it has most of its value and move on (this is what I would do, and I would be pissed, but that is life -- figure out if it does burn oil what it would cost to replace the oil and if you can live with it, otherwise compare that cost to the loss on the car and bite the bullet. If you really hate the FB get a WRX or even a 2011 Impreza -- more power, established engine, not many reports of oil consumption). Or, since you are in Florida, buy a Mazda or Hyundai another FWD car. AWD is not really needed there unless you plan to drive on the beach. But please stop trying to convince the rest of us that the FB engine has a design flaw and oil consumption is a huge issue. Most of us are not affected, so when you start going all "conspiracy" on us, it just makes you look strange. I also hope your next car is better for you. IMHO your odds are better of getting a good Subaru vs a good Audi or VW. So far Consumer Reports agrees with me.
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Praise the Lord, Zeeper speaks the truth. |
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08-07-2012, 08:34 AM | #809 | |
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But in this case, I must say that I don't think Zeeper said anything that's out of line. I think you might be getting a bit trigger happy. Just saying. |
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08-07-2012, 08:43 AM | #810 |
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im still waiting for someone to try the thicker weight 5w -30 oil.
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08-07-2012, 08:48 AM | #811 |
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You're probably right, sgoldste02, and Zeeper- I have enjoyed this discussion, even though its a bit heated at times.
But it just seems to me like you're calling. A creepy crazy out of control car buyer. I've not been at all unreasonable when dealing with Subaru. But yeah, I think the fb engines are TURDS and I do believe Subaru will lose some loyal customers because of this. I apologize for saying I hope your car burns oil. You're an intelligent guy and obviouasly a lot cooler and more collected than I am. I'm very vocal as a consumer. Fwiw- I apologize for my previous post. Last edited by 79letour; 08-07-2012 at 08:54 AM. Reason: spelling |
08-07-2012, 09:20 AM | #812 | |
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And suggesting Mazda or Hyundai isn't meant to be a slam. If I didn't think AWD was a necessity where I live (hill towns east of Albany) I would probably not be driving an Impreza. My last hyundai was a fine car, no issues at all, except for the fact that I could barely keep it on the road when it snowed which made me more than a bit nervous (and that was with brand new Nokian WRG2 tires). It sucked in slippery conditions, too light, torque steer, and no traction control are a bad combination. On the OEM tires it was even worse. My Impreza with OEM tires is amazing compared to the Elantra. (I did drive a new elantra before buying the impreza, it felt just like my older one, probably better in snow because it had traction control, but not different enough for me) Although I haven't seen the issue you have -- it is possible that enough cars will be burning oil that Subaru later down the line could come back in and remediate it (maybe there were some mis-bored heads -- not likely as I would bet Subaru fixed whatever allowed that to happen with the 2010 Foresters). More likely it is the combination of a lightweight oil and the rings not seating properly. You would probably know better than me based upon studying at UTI. If the car requires oil at "x" intervals, decide what it would cost to add the oil, use your knowledge to decide if the engine will last you for the 5-10 years you had planned on driving it, consider if Subaru just might come back and rebuild the engine under warranty, and then car shop if all those considerations don't work in your favor (still what I would do). As far as researching if other owners have a problem, I would hope that most 2012 impreza owners use the internet (I'm sure a small percent do not), and do what I do when I have an issue -- google it. If my car was burning oil (and I wasn't already on NASOIC) I would have found this forum, and been posting on it. This forum is probably more representative of this issue than you might think. If we had a show of hands, cars that are definately consuming oil, there are only a few people here -- keep in mind a lot of these cars are now on the road. If it starts happening to more of us, it is more likely Subaru will come back and remediate the problem. It just hasn't started happening on a wide scale, yet. I don't count on that happening -- but I might be wrong. Then you would see this thread explode and probably a TSB in the future... Last edited by Zeeper; 08-07-2012 at 09:37 AM. |
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By the way I did read somewhere that the choice to use 0W-20 might be just about the extra 1-2mpg fuel savings and have nothing to do with preserving the mechanical integrity of the engine.
Think it over, Subaru needs to meet the same EPA guidelines as Ford, Mazda, Hyundai, etc. Many other manufactures can meet the overall EPA average by producing a lightweight, FWD econobox with tiny tires to compensate for their bigger, less fuel efficient or AWD cars. Subaru prided itself on only selling AWD (BRZ is now the exception). They need that extra 1-2mpg to beef up their averages. If that is the case a 5W-30 oil might be completely fine, though it would probably reduce your overall MPG. It might stop the oil burning, so it is a trade off to consider if you plan on keeping the car, after doing the math. If the engine is already burning oil, and you plan to keep it, I doubt it would mess up the engine enough to prevent resale later. Last edited by Zeeper; 08-07-2012 at 10:26 AM. |
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One pertinent question. How many of the consumers that have oil burning issues drove their cars to 130+ MPH - even for a short period. I wonder what the RPMS would be at that speed and what the RPMS were for each gear (provided that 09 has a MT). I believe that there may be some issues; however, this rant is getting old. SOA may be less that responsive because of "abuse".
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I would if I planned on keeping it. I'm leaning the other way.
I found a Scion FR-S owner who's burning oil. Toyota says its ok for the subaru boxer to burn a quart in 600 miles !!!!! Yikes!!! http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=11734&page=2 |
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Abuse??? The only abuse I've encountered is consumer abuse by Bill Bryan and Subaru of America. Fwiw- it wasn't nearly redlining and none of the gears prior were redlined. My car has been to the redline ONCE. |
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08-07-2012, 11:28 AM | #820 |
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To all you who keep whining and moaning about how much you hate this thread and my "ranting" well- screw off!
I don't read/follow threads that don't interest me, so obviously you feel compelled to continue reading. Every post you make about my "rant" just puts it back to the top of the heap, and more Google-able for other consumers. So thanks I guess! |
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Hey man, I understand your point(s) and I do agree that I've done a lot of complaining and vocalizing. But as a consumer, I'm grateful the internet gives me a louder voice as a consumer. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. This wheel is!
I'm looking into my other options. But I came out on the losing end of a raw deal, and I'm trying to figure out the best way to get out of this car and not have to pay more money. |
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