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Old 10-24-2013, 03:55 PM   #126
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The problem with my rear is I have my rear shocks threaded so high. They are literally as high as they can go.

Running the 265 tire on the enkeis 18x9.5 +38 (idea track setup for a "track ready bag setup") I found it really hard to get the rears to sit right at drive height. Unless I twisted my rear shocks as high as they could go I would still be tucking tire in the rear at 60 psi...any more and it got so bumpy I hated driving.

My rear shocks are twisted a little above the suggested "max" height setting on the rear and I had no choice but to do this. If Air Lift made a longer shock body it would be perfect. When I spoke to them a few months back about the problem they said the shock bodies are so low to ensure max drop which makes sense, but even with the shock twisted all the way up i can still sit fender to wheel lip. If I twisted down the shock even more then it came from factory I swear I could tuck maybe 2in of wheel lol.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:06 AM   #127
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Is anyone here running a "bag over coil" setup? I know that's a more old school method of doing bags these days but I can't see anyone buying a set of used coilovers in New England HA! Just wanted to see if that's a possibility on the GR chassis.

I do enjoy the dampening of my current coils but I'd like to be lower while parked and slow cruising.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:18 AM   #128
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Is anyone here running a "bag over coil" setup? I know that's a more old school method of doing bags these days but I can't see anyone buying a set of used coilovers in New England HA! Just wanted to see if that's a possibility on the GR chassis.

I do enjoy the dampening of my current coils but I'd like to be lower while parked and slow cruising.
You can do a bag-over in the front, but you will need to be extremely careful in regards to clearance around the spring, especially if you're utilizing a camber plate in which case you will almost certainly run into immediate rubbing issues. The Aero Sport bag (http://bagriders.com/modlab/products/AERO-SPORT.html) measures nearly 6" in diameter at its largest. The bag has a 4" tall metal tube down the center (sometimes these are referred to as 'donut bags' for this reason) which is a major determining factor for drop, along with how low you can thread the coilover's lower spring perch.

The rear suspension is not a viable candidate for bag-over, due to the 4" metal tube and overall size of the bag itself. The area for which the bag needs to reside is just too small. The multi-link rear of the newer Subaru's (and almost all Legacy platforms) uses a remarkably short shock, which makes providing drop without sacrificing travel very difficult.

Let me know if you have any further questions or if there is otherwise anything I may do to assist you!
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:24 AM   #129
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My rear shocks are twisted a little above the suggested "max" height setting on the rear and I had no choice but to do this. If Air Lift made a longer shock body it would be perfect. When I spoke to them a few months back about the problem they said the shock bodies are so low to ensure max drop which makes sense, but even with the shock twisted all the way up i can still sit fender to wheel lip. If I twisted down the shock even more then it came from factory I swear I could tuck maybe 2in of wheel lol.
I totally agree with you, the rear kit needs either a longer damper or a longer lower mount which is something we are currently working on as a "band aid" solution until a theoretical redesign, which has yet to be discussed yet alone announced.

That said, I will be flying out to Vegas in a week for SEMA. My itinerary includes a meeting with Air Lift engineers regarding new applications for 2014, as well as current production kits that need some attention. The GR rear kit is atop my list of kits to discuss in that part of our meeting. Rest assured, I've got you GR/GV/GE/GH guys/gals' backs!
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:03 PM   #130
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Is there anything in the works for the Android devices anymore for the e-level? Maybe see if anything new for us Android guys while you're there? Frickin Apple people get all the attention
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Old 10-30-2013, 09:10 AM   #131
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Is there anything in the works for the Android devices anymore for the e-level? Maybe see if anything new for us Android guys while you're there? Frickin Apple people get all the attention
Not that I am aware of, but if there is, I'm sure I will hear about it at SEMA. I'll have a chance to speak with the engineers at AccuAir and an Android version of i-Level is definitely something I want to discuss. I know that the Android version of TouchBox is in development, but I have yet to receive an estimated release date.
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Let us know all the goodies from SEMA. I'm gonna try and tidy up my system over the winter.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:10 AM   #133
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Let us know all the goodies from SEMA. I'm gonna try and tidy up my system over the winter.
I spoke with Reno at AccuAir and was told that i-Level for Android was expected to be released at SEMA, but was pushed "a few weeks back".

I also saw another working prototype of the V2 wireless app, which I was told to expect in the next few months.

Also, GR owners can contact me for a longer lower mount which will enable them to dial their ride height much closer to mid-stroke, as I imagine most of you are near the limit of the shocks travel at your drive height.

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Old 11-12-2013, 03:46 PM   #134
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Cool, some news is better than no news. Hope you had a blast out there, photos made it seem so. :-)
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:40 AM   #135
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Air Lift debuted their newest video covering Air vs Coilovers. I won't ruin any surprises, but the results are very pleasing for us Air enthusiasts Check it out on Vimeo!

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Old 11-13-2013, 09:12 AM   #136
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Air Lift debuted their newest video covering Air vs Coilovers. I won't ruin any surprises, but the results are very pleasing for us Air enthusiasts Check it out on Vimeo!

Been seeing this all over my FB. .
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:25 PM   #137
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Also, GR owners can contact me for a longer lower mount which will enable them to dial their ride height much closer to mid-stroke, as I imagine most of you are near the limit of the shocks travel at your drive height.

Cheers!
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has airlift released a longer lower mount for the rear?

I've sent you PM

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Old 11-20-2013, 01:26 AM   #138
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I also saw another working prototype of the V2 wireless app, which I was told to expect in the next few months.

Cheers!
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any video of the wireless V2 app in operation?
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:40 AM   #139
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any video of the wireless V2 app in operation?
I wasn't allowed to take any video of the app You can see the interface in this photo though!





I'll keep this thread updated with more info as it becomes available!

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Old 11-28-2013, 05:23 PM   #140
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Happy turkey day!! I have a question regarding the water trap,if you have it installed between the tank and manifold how would putting a little bit of antifreeze in the tank work? It's supposed to go through the lines but wouldn't it stop in the water trap.......thanks.
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Happy turkey day!! I have a question regarding the water trap,if you have it installed between the tank and manifold how would putting a little bit of antifreeze in the tank work? It's supposed to go through the lines but wouldn't it stop in the water trap.......thanks.
Good question! I always put a little bit of air brake antifreeze in my water trap, which is between the tank and manifold. This helps prevent the trap itself from becoming frozen. Also, having the trap between the tank and manifold will help prevent moisture from ever getting into the lines that run from the manifold to each bag. It takes a considerable amount of moisture to be able to freeze over and restrict the flow of a port, that type of moisture is typically only present in the tank itself. I've been running my setup like this for years here in Vermont and have never had an issue!
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Old 11-29-2013, 05:05 PM   #142
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For those who have been asking for em, moar shots of tubbing the GD/GG chassis! This is on my own WRX. This is for those looking to kiss the lip of the wheel to the fender.

Legally speaking, I (John) nor Bag Riders LLC recommend or otherwise condone chassis modifications. If you choose to do so, it is at your own risk! Any modifications should be performend by a trained professional! /legaldisclaimer

These shots show the process of removing material. I will upload shots of everything welded up this weekend, pending completion!


Here's the passenger side. You can see the wheel arch is gone and a hole has been drilled for the axle notch. The control arm notch (previously outlined in red) is done as well!


Here's a better shot of how I tucked the big harness in the driver side wheel well. I removed the fender braces so the harness could be routed up and above the red line which highlights the top of the wheel well.


The notch for now. Haven't welded in any pipe to seal it up yet because I want to ensure the vehicle drops low enough first!


Passenger side


Passenger side


Driver Side


Driver Side (view from where the headlight would be)

Happy Thanksgiving all! Hope these help someone
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:15 AM   #143
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Hey everyone, just posting to announce a few new additions to our Air Ride FAQ, found on our website here: http://bagriders.com/modlab/pages/AIR-RIDE-FAQ.html

I hope everyone had a great holiday!

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Old 12-17-2013, 01:33 AM   #144
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Hi John-

I'm hoping to start a new project soon, which involves taking one of these Subaru-based kit cars and turning it into a go-anywhere rig (daily driving along with being able to go on the track or autocross and even on bumpy back dirt roads):



Being able to raise and lower the car quickly would be great; I've been looking around for information on using air bags for both lowering and lifting applications, including more performance-oriented uses (though it didn't take long to find a lot of debate about performance-oriented air bag systems). I don't need the ultimate track suspension but ideally one that can hold up and perform fairly well at the track while also being able to take some punishment on back road trails. Without wanting to get into the debate again, it sounds like air bags can hold up for what I want to do at the track....However, how durable would they be when it comes to using them on dirt roads (I'm not gonna go all Petter Solberg on them, but should they handle the occasional dirt road runs)?

I'm not wanting to drop the car to the ground for show (which seems to be the major draw for air bags from what I've seen), but instead be able to both lower and raise the car a few inches from the standard driving height. So I've been wondering...How feasible is this use of air bags? I'm not as worried about a budget build (the packages out there seem to focus on low pricing, which of course is nice, but are there more options or more performance options if pricing doesn't hold you back?).

I'm also curious about how camber is addressed with the changes in height... Would I have to deal with large positive and negative camber changes at higher and lower heights, or is this mitigated somehow?

One of the nice things about the car I'm using is its lower weight, and I was worried about how much an air system might add....I looked through a lot of the pages in this thread (can't make it through all), and I think it was stated that the weight is around 80 pounds, at least for one of the kits, save some of the electrical components. Is this about accurate? How much do different systems vary weight-wise?

Finally, how is the dampening at the two extremes? I would think that ideally you would have stiffer suspension at lower heights and more floaty suspension when fully risen, but it seems like the nature of airbags would be the opposite. Is this true?

Thanks for any help--it wasn't as easy to find information ( at least regarding this use of air bag suspension) as I had thought it would be.

Mike
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Hi John-

I'm hoping to start a new project soon, which involves taking one of these Subaru-based kit cars and turning it into a go-anywhere rig (daily driving along with being able to go on the track or autocross and even on bumpy back dirt roads):



Being able to raise and lower the car quickly would be great; I've been looking around for information on using air bags for both lowering and lifting applications, including more performance-oriented uses (though it didn't take long to find a lot of debate about performance-oriented air bag systems). I don't need the ultimate track suspension but ideally one that can hold up and perform fairly well at the track while also being able to take some punishment on back road trails. Without wanting to get into the debate again, it sounds like air bags can hold up for what I want to do at the track....However, how durable would they be when it comes to using them on dirt roads (I'm not gonna go all Petter Solberg on them, but should they handle the occasional dirt road runs)?

I'm not wanting to drop the car to the ground for show (which seems to be the major draw for air bags from what I've seen), but instead be able to both lower and raise the car a few inches from the standard driving height. So I've been wondering...How feasible is this use of air bags? I'm not as worried about a budget build (the packages out there seem to focus on low pricing, which of course is nice, but are there more options or more performance options if pricing doesn't hold you back?).

I'm also curious about how camber is addressed with the changes in height... Would I have to deal with large positive and negative camber changes at higher and lower heights, or is this mitigated somehow?

One of the nice things about the car I'm using is its lower weight, and I was worried about how much an air system might add....I looked through a lot of the pages in this thread (can't make it through all), and I think it was stated that the weight is around 80 pounds, at least for one of the kits, save some of the electrical components. Is this about accurate? How much do different systems vary weight-wise?

Finally, how is the dampening at the two extremes? I would think that ideally you would have stiffer suspension at lower heights and more floaty suspension when fully risen, but it seems like the nature of airbags would be the opposite. Is this true?

Thanks for any help--it wasn't as easy to find information ( at least regarding this use of air bag suspension) as I had thought it would be.

Mike
Hey Mike,

Durability wise, the air setup would hold up to to some spirited dirt road use, but only if setup correctly. You said that you do not want to drop the car to the ground so this will help you because you can spin the strut bodies a little bit higher which will allow you to get more lift out of the system. You also had it correct when it comes to how the car will ride at different heights. When you lower the car it will ride softer and when you raise it, it will ride stiffer, but there is a limit to how high you can go. You cannot drive at max lift because this will be maxing out the damper and will cause them to wear faster, the same goes for rolling aired out. But if you do spin the bodies up higher this will allow you to lift the car a little more for off-road use, but you could potentially have the car high enough at its regular drive height to drive off-road if you have the strut spun high enough.

When it comes to the weight, 80 pounds is correct and there are no systems that weigh significantly less, the only way to really lower the weight would be going with a single compressor. There are also no real advantages to any of the systems performance wise, the only thing that we would recommend for a performance setup are gauges so that you can monitor bag pressures.

Camber does also not change too much through the range, about a degree or two. Toe does change though. Subarus toe in the higher you go, so if you were to adjust the strut height, you would have to get another alignment. Air Struts would fit what you are looking for, they will allow you to raise the car an inch or so to drive off-road, but not too high or you will ruin the struts, that is all we would have to warn you about.

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Im having issues after installing the elevel sensors. The system goes through calibration then stops and flashes 3 times, indicating that the sensors dont have enough travel distance.

How should I approach this issues? Can I just bump the rod down another hole (updated sensors). If not what else can I do to solve this problem.
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Old 12-23-2013, 08:25 AM   #148
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Im having issues after installing the elevel sensors. The system goes through calibration then stops and flashes 3 times, indicating that the sensors dont have enough travel distance.

How should I approach this issues? Can I just bump the rod down another hole (updated sensors). If not what else can I do to solve this problem.
Did you follow the instructions in the e-Level manual for determining sensor mounting location? Pages 16-18: http://bagriders.com/modlab/tech/ins...4-TPAD_2.5.pdf

That is the best way to ensure that you get enough travel range out of the sensor:
  1. Mark a spot on the Chassis where you intend on mounting the sensor (call this "A")
  2. Mark a spot on a moving suspension member (e.g., control arm) where you plan on mounting the sensor linkage (call this "B")
  3. With the suspension hanging, measure the distance from A to B. Call this "X"
  4. With the suspension fully compressed, again measure A to B. Call this "Y"
  5. The travel distance can be determined by X - Y = Travel Distance. You want the Travel Distance to be 2.75" or less.

You may be able to get a bit more travel out of the sensor by repositioning the linkage on the arm, but do so carefully to avoid breaking the sensor. Sensors broken during installation are not covered under AccuAir warranty!

Shoot us a PM or e-mail if you have any other questions!

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Old 12-24-2013, 02:47 PM   #149
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where do you recommend running the front air lines on the 2012's? wrx/sti that is
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